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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] single maintainer profile directory (was Re: [PATCH] media: add a subsystem profile documentation)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:33:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201909170930.B8AD840@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190917102817.263517b5@coco.lan>

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:28:17AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> No matter where the profiles will physically be stored, its contents belong 
> to subsystem-specific documentation, and should be visible at the same index 
> file as the kAPI docs is located, as anyone interested on submitting patches
> for a subsystem should be aware about the subsystem specific policies and
> details.

That's a good point. I think your other suggestions below address my
"find them all" case...

> So, my vote is to store them at Documentation/*/<subsystem> (together
> with the kAPI book).
> 
> > since there are
> > two ways someone would want to read profiles:
> > 
> > 1) a single profile, based on a MAINTAINERS entry which includes the path
> 
> That is the common case. The problem is that the MAINTAINERS file
> currently doesn't generate html output. This is not a problem for
> "old school" devs, but a newbie wanting to collaborate to a single
> specific subsystem may not notice - or understand - the importance
> of the MAINTAINERS file[1].
> 
> [1] btw, that's why I submitted a RFC, several years ago, a patch
> converting it to ReST - and later - another patch that would be parsing
> its contents and producing a ReST output.
> 
> That's, by far, the most relevant usecase for the profiles, as the
> audience is the ~4k Kernel developers.

Oh yes, having a .rst of the MAINTAINERS file would be pretty great.
Seems like it could just be a build target (and then dependency) for the
sphinx targets?

> > 2) all of them, to study for various reasons
> 
> I suspect that only core people will have interest on study them.
> 
> Those people are more skilled, and can easily find all those files with
> a simple grep:
> 
> 	$ grep  "^P:\s" MAINTAINERS|cut -d':' -f2-
> 
> or
> 
> 	$ git grep "^P:\s" MAINTAINERS|cut -d: -f3-
> 
> If, for whatever reason, he would prefer an HTML output [1], he could even
> create an index file with all of those with something like:
> 
> 	$ for i in $(grep  "^P:\s" MAINTAINERS|cut -d':' -f2-); do j=${i/rst/html}; echo "<a href=\"$j\">$j</a><br/>"; done >Documentation/output/index_profiles.html
> 
> We might, instead, teach the Documentation/Makefile to create something
> like the above, but, IMHO, that would just add more complexity to the
> build without a good reason.
> 
> [1] I doubt that core devs would prefer seeing this in html form, but some
> variant of the above could be used, for example, to create symlinks for
> all profile docs into a "study" directory.
> 
> > The #2 case is helped by having them all in one directory with a single
> > index.rst, etc. Then similar profiles are able to merge, etc.

Whatever the case, please don't let me distract from the actual content
of these profiles: I think it's awesome to capture these details and
makes my life so much easier. :)

-- 
Kees Cook
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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>
Cc: Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: Re: single maintainer profile directory (was Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] media: add a subsystem profile documentation)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:33:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201909170930.B8AD840@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190917102817.263517b5@coco.lan>

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:28:17AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> No matter where the profiles will physically be stored, its contents belong 
> to subsystem-specific documentation, and should be visible at the same index 
> file as the kAPI docs is located, as anyone interested on submitting patches
> for a subsystem should be aware about the subsystem specific policies and
> details.

That's a good point. I think your other suggestions below address my
"find them all" case...

> So, my vote is to store them at Documentation/*/<subsystem> (together
> with the kAPI book).
> 
> > since there are
> > two ways someone would want to read profiles:
> > 
> > 1) a single profile, based on a MAINTAINERS entry which includes the path
> 
> That is the common case. The problem is that the MAINTAINERS file
> currently doesn't generate html output. This is not a problem for
> "old school" devs, but a newbie wanting to collaborate to a single
> specific subsystem may not notice - or understand - the importance
> of the MAINTAINERS file[1].
> 
> [1] btw, that's why I submitted a RFC, several years ago, a patch
> converting it to ReST - and later - another patch that would be parsing
> its contents and producing a ReST output.
> 
> That's, by far, the most relevant usecase for the profiles, as the
> audience is the ~4k Kernel developers.

Oh yes, having a .rst of the MAINTAINERS file would be pretty great.
Seems like it could just be a build target (and then dependency) for the
sphinx targets?

> > 2) all of them, to study for various reasons
> 
> I suspect that only core people will have interest on study them.
> 
> Those people are more skilled, and can easily find all those files with
> a simple grep:
> 
> 	$ grep  "^P:\s" MAINTAINERS|cut -d':' -f2-
> 
> or
> 
> 	$ git grep "^P:\s" MAINTAINERS|cut -d: -f3-
> 
> If, for whatever reason, he would prefer an HTML output [1], he could even
> create an index file with all of those with something like:
> 
> 	$ for i in $(grep  "^P:\s" MAINTAINERS|cut -d':' -f2-); do j=${i/rst/html}; echo "<a href=\"$j\">$j</a><br/>"; done >Documentation/output/index_profiles.html
> 
> We might, instead, teach the Documentation/Makefile to create something
> like the above, but, IMHO, that would just add more complexity to the
> build without a good reason.
> 
> [1] I doubt that core devs would prefer seeing this in html form, but some
> variant of the above could be used, for example, to create symlinks for
> all profile docs into a "study" directory.
> 
> > The #2 case is helped by having them all in one directory with a single
> > index.rst, etc. Then similar profiles are able to merge, etc.

Whatever the case, please don't let me distract from the actual content
of these profiles: I think it's awesome to capture these details and
makes my life so much easier. :)

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-17 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-11 15:48 [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 0/3] Maintainer Entry Profiles Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48 ` Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48 ` Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 1/3] MAINTAINERS: Reclaim the P: tag for Maintainer Entry Profile Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48   ` Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48   ` Dan Williams
2019-09-13 15:37   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 15:37     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 15:37     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-11 15:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 2/3] Maintainer Handbook: " Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48   ` Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48   ` Dan Williams
2019-09-11 17:34   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Verma, Vishal L
2019-09-11 17:34     ` Verma, Vishal L
2019-09-16 12:35   ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-16 12:35     ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-16 12:35     ` Jani Nikula
2019-10-01 13:55   ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-10-01 13:55     ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-10-01 13:55     ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-10-01 18:17     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Martin K. Petersen
2019-10-01 18:17       ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-10-01 18:17       ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-11-07 20:13     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Jonathan Corbet
2019-11-07 20:13       ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-11-07 20:13       ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-11-08  2:41       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dan Williams
2019-11-08  2:41         ` Dan Williams
2019-11-08  2:41         ` Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 3/3] libnvdimm, MAINTAINERS: " Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48   ` Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48   ` Dan Williams
2019-09-11 17:42   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Vishal Verma
2019-09-11 17:42     ` Vishal Verma
2019-09-11 17:42     ` Vishal Verma
2019-09-11 17:45   ` Dave Jiang
2019-09-11 17:45     ` Dave Jiang
2019-09-11 18:43   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dan Carpenter
2019-09-11 18:43     ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-11 18:43     ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-11 22:11     ` Jens Axboe
2019-09-11 22:11       ` Jens Axboe
2019-09-11 22:11       ` Jens Axboe
2019-09-12  7:41       ` Dan Williams
2019-09-12  7:41         ` Dan Williams
2019-09-12  7:41         ` Dan Williams
2019-09-12  8:24         ` Miguel Ojeda
2019-09-12  8:24           ` Miguel Ojeda
2019-09-12 10:18           ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 10:18             ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 10:18             ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 11:02             ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 11:02               ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 14:17               ` Dan Williams
2019-09-12 14:17                 ` Dan Williams
2019-09-12 14:51                 ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 14:51                   ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 14:42             ` Miguel Ojeda
2019-09-12 14:42               ` Miguel Ojeda
2019-09-13  7:09       ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-09-13  7:09         ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-09-13  7:09         ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-09-13 11:48         ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-13 11:48           ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-13 11:48           ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-13 12:18           ` Dan Williams
2019-09-13 12:18             ` Dan Williams
2019-09-13 12:18             ` Dan Williams
2019-09-13 15:00           ` Randy Dunlap
2019-09-13 15:00             ` Randy Dunlap
2019-09-13 15:00             ` Randy Dunlap
2019-09-13 15:46             ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 15:46               ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 15:46               ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 16:42               ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 16:42                 ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 16:42                 ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 19:32                 ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 19:32                   ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 19:32                   ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 17:57             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-13 17:57               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-13 17:57               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-16 12:42           ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-16 12:42             ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-16 12:42             ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-17 16:16           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-09-17 21:59             ` Dan Williams
2019-09-17 21:59               ` Dan Williams
2019-09-17 21:59               ` Dan Williams
2019-09-13 21:44       ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-13 21:44         ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-13 21:44         ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-16  7:01         ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-16  7:01           ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-16  7:01           ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-16 17:08           ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-16 17:08             ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-16 17:08             ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-16 17:15             ` Mark Brown
2019-09-16 17:15               ` Mark Brown
2019-09-13  2:11     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2019-09-13  2:11       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2019-09-13  5:00       ` Greg KH
2019-09-13  5:00         ` Greg KH
2019-09-11 20:30   ` Joe Perches
2019-09-11 20:30     ` Joe Perches
2019-09-11 20:30     ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 16:19   ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] media: add a subsystem profile documentation Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 16:19     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 16:19     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-17  3:35     ` [Ksummit-discuss] single maintainer profile directory (was Re: [PATCH] media: add a subsystem profile documentation) Kees Cook
2019-09-17  3:35       ` single maintainer profile directory (was Re: [Ksummit-discuss] " Kees Cook
2019-09-17 13:28       ` [Ksummit-discuss] single maintainer profile directory (was " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-17 13:28         ` single maintainer profile directory (was Re: [Ksummit-discuss] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-17 16:33         ` Kees Cook [this message]
2019-09-17 16:33           ` Kees Cook
2019-09-18 11:23           ` [Ksummit-discuss] single maintainer profile directory (was " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-18 11:23             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-18 17:39             ` Kees Cook
2019-09-18 17:39               ` Kees Cook
2019-09-18 18:35               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-18 18:35                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-21 19:13             ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-09-21 19:13               ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-09-21 19:45               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-21 19:45                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-23 22:45               ` Kees Cook
2019-09-23 22:45                 ` Kees Cook
2019-09-18 12:36     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] media: add a subsystem profile documentation Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-18 12:36       ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-18 13:57       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-18 13:57         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-18 17:27         ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-18 17:27           ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-18 18:48           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-18 18:48             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-19  7:08             ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-19  7:08               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-20  5:29               ` Joe Perches
2019-09-20  5:29                 ` Joe Perches
2019-09-20 14:09                 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-20 14:09                   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-19  6:56         ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-19  6:56           ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-19  7:22           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-19  7:22             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-19  8:49             ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-19  8:49               ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-19  8:58               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-19  8:58                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-19  9:52                 ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-19  9:52                   ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-20 14:53             ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-20 14:53               ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-20 14:59               ` Doug Anderson
2019-09-20 14:59                 ` Doug Anderson
2019-09-21  8:56                 ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-21  8:56                   ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-23 15:58                   ` Doug Anderson
2019-09-23 15:58                     ` Doug Anderson
2019-09-23 16:04                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-09-23 16:04                       ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-09-19  9:52           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-19  9:52             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-25 17:13           ` Joe Perches
2019-09-25 17:13             ` Joe Perches
2019-09-25 18:40             ` Kees Cook
2019-09-25 18:40               ` Kees Cook
2019-09-26 15:14               ` Joe Perches
2019-09-26 15:14                 ` Joe Perches
2019-09-26 15:53                 ` Kees Cook
2019-09-26 15:53                   ` Kees Cook
2019-09-26 16:02                   ` Joe Perches
2019-09-26 16:02                     ` Joe Perches
2019-09-26 16:24                     ` Kees Cook
2019-09-26 16:24                       ` Kees Cook
2019-09-26 10:25             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-26 10:25               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-18 13:59       ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-18 13:59         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-18 14:07         ` André Almeida
2019-09-18 14:11           ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-18 14:11             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-11 16:40 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 0/3] Maintainer Entry Profiles Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-11 16:40   ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-11 16:40   ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-12 13:31   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Bart Van Assche
2019-09-12 13:31     ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-12 13:31     ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-12 15:34     ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 15:34       ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 15:34       ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 20:01       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-12 20:01         ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-12 20:01         ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-12 20:34         ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 20:34           ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 20:34           ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 14:26           ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 14:26             ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 14:26             ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 18:42             ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 18:42               ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 18:42               ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 19:17               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 19:17                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 19:17                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 20:33                 ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 20:33                   ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 20:33                   ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 12:56         ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-09-13 12:56           ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-09-13 13:54           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 13:54             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 13:54             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 14:59             ` Guenter Roeck
2019-09-13 14:59               ` Guenter Roeck
2019-09-13 14:59               ` Guenter Roeck
2019-09-13 22:03     ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-13 22:03       ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-13 22:03       ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-04-29 13:55       ` Roman Bolshakov
2020-04-29 13:55         ` Roman Bolshakov
2019-09-12 13:10 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-12 13:10   ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-12 13:10   ` Bart Van Assche

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