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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"open list:ASYMMETRIC KEYS" <keyrings@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:CRYPTO API" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KEYS: asym_tpm: Switch to get_random_bytes()
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 11:43:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191003114344.GG8933@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191003114119.GF8933@linux.intel.com>

On Thu, Oct 03, 2019 at 02:41:19PM +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 10:00:19AM -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > On Thu, 2019-09-26 at 20:16 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > > Only the kernel random pool should be used for generating random numbers.
> > > TPM contributes to that pool among the other sources of entropy. In here it
> > > is not, agreed, absolutely critical because TPM is what is trusted anyway
> > > but in order to remove tpm_get_random() we need to first remove all the
> > > call sites.
> > 
> > At what point during boot is the kernel random pool available?  Does
> > this imply that you're planning on changing trusted keys as well?
> 
> Well trusted keys *must* be changed to use it. It is not a choice
> because using a proprietary random number generator instead of defacto
> one in the kernel can be categorized as a *regression*.
> 
> Also, TEE trusted keys cannot use the TPM option.
> 
> If it was not initialized early enough we would need fix that too.
> 
> I don't think there should be a problem anyway since encrypted keys is
> already using get_random_bytes().

Looking at asym_tpm.c the implementation copies all the anti-patterns
from trusted keys, which is really unfortunate. I don't know how that
has passed through all the filters.

/Jarkko

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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"open list:ASYMMETRIC KEYS" <keyrings@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:CRYPTO API" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KEYS: asym_tpm: Switch to get_random_bytes()
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 14:43:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191003114344.GG8933@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191003114119.GF8933@linux.intel.com>

On Thu, Oct 03, 2019 at 02:41:19PM +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 10:00:19AM -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > On Thu, 2019-09-26 at 20:16 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > > Only the kernel random pool should be used for generating random numbers.
> > > TPM contributes to that pool among the other sources of entropy. In here it
> > > is not, agreed, absolutely critical because TPM is what is trusted anyway
> > > but in order to remove tpm_get_random() we need to first remove all the
> > > call sites.
> > 
> > At what point during boot is the kernel random pool available?  Does
> > this imply that you're planning on changing trusted keys as well?
> 
> Well trusted keys *must* be changed to use it. It is not a choice
> because using a proprietary random number generator instead of defacto
> one in the kernel can be categorized as a *regression*.
> 
> Also, TEE trusted keys cannot use the TPM option.
> 
> If it was not initialized early enough we would need fix that too.
> 
> I don't think there should be a problem anyway since encrypted keys is
> already using get_random_bytes().

Looking at asym_tpm.c the implementation copies all the anti-patterns
from trusted keys, which is really unfortunate. I don't know how that
has passed through all the filters.

/Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-03 11:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-26 17:16 [PATCH] KEYS: asym_tpm: Switch to get_random_bytes() Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-09-26 17:16 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-09-28 18:05 ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-09-28 18:05   ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-01 20:54   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-01 20:54     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-02 14:00 ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-02 14:00   ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 11:41   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 11:41     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 11:43     ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2019-10-03 11:43       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 13:02     ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 13:02       ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 17:58       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 17:58         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 18:53         ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 18:53           ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 21:51           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 21:51             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 21:57             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 21:57               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 22:08               ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 22:08                 ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 23:59                 ` James Bottomley
2019-10-03 23:59                   ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 18:22                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:22                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:24                     ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 18:24                       ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 18:33                       ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 18:33                         ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 18:42                         ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 18:42                           ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 20:07                           ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 20:07                             ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 20:11                             ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 20:11                               ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 22:11                               ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 22:11                                 ` James Bottomley
2019-10-06  0:38                                 ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-06  0:38                                   ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-06 23:52                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-06 23:52                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-07 18:08                                     ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-07 18:08                                       ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-04 18:20                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:20                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 22:10               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 22:10                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 13:26           ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-04 13:26             ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-04 18:27             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:27               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:30               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:30                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 19:56               ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-04 19:56                 ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-07  0:05                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-07  0:05                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-07 22:13                   ` Ken Goldman
2019-10-07 22:13                     ` Ken Goldman
2019-10-08 23:49                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-08 23:49                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-08 23:53                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-08 23:53                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  7:10                         ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-09  7:10                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-09  7:33                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  7:33                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  7:41                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  7:41                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  8:09                             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-09  8:09                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-14 19:11                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-14 19:11                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  8:02                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-09  8:02                             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-09 12:11                         ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-09 12:11                           ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-14 19:00                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-14 19:00                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-14 19:29                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-14 19:29                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-14 19:29                             ` James Bottomley
2019-10-14 19:29                               ` James Bottomley
2019-10-16 11:00                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 11:00                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 12:34                                 ` James Bottomley
2019-10-16 12:34                                   ` James Bottomley
2019-10-16 16:25                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 16:25                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 19:10                                     ` James Bottomley
2019-10-16 19:10                                       ` James Bottomley
2019-10-17 12:52                                       ` Sumit Garg
2019-10-17 12:52                                         ` Sumit Garg
2019-10-17 12:58                                         ` James Bottomley
2019-10-17 12:58                                           ` James Bottomley
2019-10-17 18:04                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-17 18:04                                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-21 11:39                                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-21 11:39                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-29  8:42                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-29  8:42                                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-29 14:58                                             ` James Bottomley
2019-10-29 14:58                                               ` James Bottomley
2019-10-31 21:03                                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-31 21:03                                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-18  7:32                                   ` Janne Karhunen
2019-10-18  7:32                                     ` Janne Karhunen
2019-10-03 18:02       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 18:02         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 18:15         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 18:15           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-07 10:33     ` Janne Karhunen
2019-10-07 10:33       ` Janne Karhunen

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