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From: Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Brian Starkey <Brian.Starkey@arm.com>
Cc: nd <nd@arm.com>, David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Liviu Dudau <Liviu.Dudau@arm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"james qian wang (Arm Technology China)"
	<james.qian.wang@arm.com>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Mihail Atanassov <Mihail.Atanassov@arm.com>,
	Sean Paul <sean@poorly.run>
Subject: Re: [RFC,3/3] drm/komeda: Allow non-component drm_bridge only endpoints
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:41:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191017114137.GC25745@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191017104812.6qpuzoh5bx5i2y3m@DESKTOP-E1NTVVP.localdomain>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:48:12AM +0000, Brian Starkey wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:21:03AM +0000, james qian wang (Arm Technology China) wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 08:20:56AM +0000, Brian Starkey wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 03:07:59AM +0000, james qian wang (Arm Technology China) wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 04:22:07PM +0000, Brian Starkey wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > If James is strongly against merging this, maybe we just swap
> > > > > wholesale to bridge? But for me, the pragmatic approach would be this
> > > > > stop-gap.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > This is a good idea, and I vote +ULONG_MAX :)
> > > > 
> > > > and I also checked tda998x driver, it supports bridge. so swap the
> > > > wholesale to brige is perfect. :)
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Well, as Mihail wrote, it's definitely not perfect.
> > > 
> > > Today, if you rmmod tda998x with the DPU driver still loaded,
> > > everything will be unbound gracefully.
> > > 
> > > If we swap to bridge, then rmmod'ing tda998x (or any other bridge
> > > driver the DPU is using) with the DPU driver still loaded will result
> > > in a crash.
> > 
> > I haven't read the bridge code, but seems this is a bug of drm_bridge,
> > since if the bridge is still in using by others, the rmmod should fail
> > 
> 
> Correct, but there's no fix for that today. You can also take a look
> at the thread linked from Mihail's cover letter.
> 
> > And personally opinion, if the bridge doesn't handle the dependence.
> > for us:
> > 
> > - add such support to bridge
> 
> That would certainly be helpful. I don't know if there's consensus on
> how to do that.
> 
> >   or
> > - just do the insmod/rmmod in correct order.
> > 
> > > So, there really are proper benefits to sticking with the component
> > > code for tda998x, which is why I'd like to understand why you're so
> > > against this patch?
> > >
> > 
> > This change handles two different connectors in komeda internally, compare
> > with one interface, it increases the complexity, more risk of bug and more
> > cost of maintainance.
> > 
> 
> Well, it's only about how to bind the drivers - two different methods
> of binding, not two different connectors. I would argue that carrying
> our out-of-tree patches to support both platforms is a larger
> maintenance burden.
> 
> Honestly this looks like a win-win to me. We get the superior approach
> when its supported, and still get to support bridges which are more
> common.
> 
> As/when improvements are made to the bridge code we can remove the
> component bits and not lose anything.

There was an idea a while back about using the device links code to
solve the bridge issue - but at the time the device links code wasn't
up to the job.  I think that's been resolved now, but I haven't been
able to confirm it.  I did propose some patches for bridge at the
time but they probably need updating.

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From: Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Brian Starkey <Brian.Starkey@arm.com>
Cc: "james qian wang (Arm Technology China)"
	<james.qian.wang@arm.com>,
	Mihail Atanassov <Mihail.Atanassov@arm.com>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Liviu Dudau <Liviu.Dudau@arm.com>,
	Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	nd <nd@arm.com>, Sean Paul <sean@poorly.run>
Subject: Re: [RFC,3/3] drm/komeda: Allow non-component drm_bridge only endpoints
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:41:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191017114137.GC25745@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191017104812.6qpuzoh5bx5i2y3m@DESKTOP-E1NTVVP.localdomain>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:48:12AM +0000, Brian Starkey wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:21:03AM +0000, james qian wang (Arm Technology China) wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 08:20:56AM +0000, Brian Starkey wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 03:07:59AM +0000, james qian wang (Arm Technology China) wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 04:22:07PM +0000, Brian Starkey wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > If James is strongly against merging this, maybe we just swap
> > > > > wholesale to bridge? But for me, the pragmatic approach would be this
> > > > > stop-gap.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > This is a good idea, and I vote +ULONG_MAX :)
> > > > 
> > > > and I also checked tda998x driver, it supports bridge. so swap the
> > > > wholesale to brige is perfect. :)
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Well, as Mihail wrote, it's definitely not perfect.
> > > 
> > > Today, if you rmmod tda998x with the DPU driver still loaded,
> > > everything will be unbound gracefully.
> > > 
> > > If we swap to bridge, then rmmod'ing tda998x (or any other bridge
> > > driver the DPU is using) with the DPU driver still loaded will result
> > > in a crash.
> > 
> > I haven't read the bridge code, but seems this is a bug of drm_bridge,
> > since if the bridge is still in using by others, the rmmod should fail
> > 
> 
> Correct, but there's no fix for that today. You can also take a look
> at the thread linked from Mihail's cover letter.
> 
> > And personally opinion, if the bridge doesn't handle the dependence.
> > for us:
> > 
> > - add such support to bridge
> 
> That would certainly be helpful. I don't know if there's consensus on
> how to do that.
> 
> >   or
> > - just do the insmod/rmmod in correct order.
> > 
> > > So, there really are proper benefits to sticking with the component
> > > code for tda998x, which is why I'd like to understand why you're so
> > > against this patch?
> > >
> > 
> > This change handles two different connectors in komeda internally, compare
> > with one interface, it increases the complexity, more risk of bug and more
> > cost of maintainance.
> > 
> 
> Well, it's only about how to bind the drivers - two different methods
> of binding, not two different connectors. I would argue that carrying
> our out-of-tree patches to support both platforms is a larger
> maintenance burden.
> 
> Honestly this looks like a win-win to me. We get the superior approach
> when its supported, and still get to support bridges which are more
> common.
> 
> As/when improvements are made to the bridge code we can remove the
> component bits and not lose anything.

There was an idea a while back about using the device links code to
solve the bridge issue - but at the time the device links code wasn't
up to the job.  I think that's been resolved now, but I haven't been
able to confirm it.  I did propose some patches for bridge at the
time but they probably need updating.

-- 
RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line in suburbia: sync at 12.1Mbps down 622kbps up
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  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-17 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-04 14:34 [PATCH 0/3] drm/komeda: Support for drm_bridge endpoints Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-04 14:34 ` Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-04 14:34 ` [PATCH 1/3] drm/komeda: Consolidate struct komeda_drv allocations Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-04 14:34   ` Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-04 14:34 ` [PATCH 2/3] drm/komeda: Memory manage struct komeda_drv in probe/remove Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-04 14:34   ` Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-04 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] drm/komeda: Allow non-component drm_bridge only endpoints Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-04 14:34   ` Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-09  5:54   ` [RFC,3/3] " james qian wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-10-09  5:54     ` james qian wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-10-16 15:51     ` Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-16 15:51       ` Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-16 16:22       ` Brian Starkey
2019-10-17  3:07         ` james qian wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-10-17  3:07           ` james qian wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-10-17  8:20           ` Brian Starkey
2019-10-17  8:20             ` Brian Starkey
2019-10-17 10:21             ` james qian wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-10-17 10:21               ` james qian wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-10-17 10:48               ` Brian Starkey
2019-10-17 10:48                 ` Brian Starkey
2019-10-17 11:41                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin [this message]
2019-10-17 11:41                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-10-18  6:57                   ` james qian wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-10-18  6:57                     ` james qian wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-10-18  9:12                     ` Brian Starkey
2019-10-18  9:12                       ` Brian Starkey
2019-10-22  8:42                   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-22  8:48                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-10-22  8:50                       ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-22 14:42                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-10-22 14:42                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-10-22 14:53                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-10-22 14:53                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-10-24  8:03                             ` Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-24  8:03                               ` Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-24  8:03                               ` Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-24  5:21                         ` james qian wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-10-24  5:21                           ` james qian wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-10-18  6:38                 ` james qian wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-10-18 11:01                   ` Mihail Atanassov
2019-10-18 11:01                     ` Mihail Atanassov

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