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From: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>, Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
	Michael Mueller <mimu@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Lendacky, Thomas" <Thomas.Lendacky@amd.com>,
	Viktor Mihajlovski <mihajlov@linux.ibm.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] virtio: let virtio use DMA API when guest RAM is protected
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:33:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200221153340.4cdcde81.pasic@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200220161309.GB12709@lst.de>

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:13:09 +0100
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 05:06:06PM +0100, Halil Pasic wrote:
> > diff --git a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
> > index 867c7ebd3f10..fafc8f924955 100644
> > --- a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
> > +++ b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
> > @@ -243,6 +243,9 @@ static bool vring_use_dma_api(struct virtio_device *vdev)
> >  	if (!virtio_has_iommu_quirk(vdev))
> >  		return true;
> >  
> > +	if (force_dma_unencrypted(&vdev->dev))
> > +		return true;
> 
> Hell no.  This is a detail of the platform DMA direct implementation.

I beg to differ. If it was a detail of the DMA direct implementation, it
should have/would have been private to kernel/dma/direct.c. 

A look at 

$ git grep -e force_dma_unencrypted
arch/powerpc/include/asm/mem_encrypt.h:static inline bool force_dma_unencrypted(struct device *dev)
arch/s390/mm/init.c:bool force_dma_unencrypted(struct device *dev)
arch/x86/mm/mem_encrypt.c:bool force_dma_unencrypted(struct device *dev)
include/linux/dma-direct.h:bool force_dma_unencrypted(struct device *dev);
include/linux/dma-direct.h:static inline bool force_dma_unencrypted(struct device *dev)
kernel/dma/direct.c:    if (force_dma_unencrypted(dev))
kernel/dma/direct.c:    if (force_dma_unencrypted(dev))
kernel/dma/direct.c:        !force_dma_unencrypted(dev)) {
kernel/dma/direct.c:    if (force_dma_unencrypted(dev))
kernel/dma/direct.c:    if (force_dma_unencrypted(dev))
kernel/dma/direct.c:        !force_dma_unencrypted(dev)) {
kernel/dma/direct.c:    if (force_dma_unencrypted(dev))

tells you, that force_dma_unencrypted() is *consumed* by dma direct, but
*provided* by the memory encryption or memory management code.
I.e. platform code tells the dma (direct) code what decisions to make
under certain circumstances.

Consider what would we have to do to make PCI devices do I/O trough
pages that were shared when the guest is running in a protected VM. The
s390_pci_dma_ops would also need to know whether to 'force dma uencrypted'
or not, and it's the exact same logic. I doubt simply using DMA direct
for zPCI would do, because we still have to do all the Z specific IOMMU
management.

> Drivers have no business looking at this flag, and virtio finally needs
> to be fixed to use the DMA API properly for everything but legacy devices.

See the follow on discussion with David Gibson. In short: I'm in favor
of always using DMA API iff we keep conformance with the VIRTIO spec and
if it does not imply any degradations for s390 (virtio-ccw), or any
other regressions.

> 
> No amount of desparate hacks is going to fix that fundamental problem,
> and I'm starting to get really sick and tired of all the crap patches
> published in this area.

I don't think I deserve the offensive language.

AFAIU you have a positive attitude towards the idea, that 
!F_VIRTIO_PLATFORM implies 'no DMA API is used by virtio' 
should be scrapped. 

I would like to accomplish that without adverse effects to virtio-ccw
(because caring for virtio-ccw is a part of job description).

Regards,
Halil

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From: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	Viktor Mihajlovski <mihajlov@linux.ibm.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>, Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>,
	Thiago Jung Bauermann <bauerman@linux.ibm.com>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
	"Lendacky, Thomas" <Thomas.Lendacky@amd.com>,
	Michael Mueller <mimu@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] virtio: let virtio use DMA API when guest RAM is protected
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:33:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200221153340.4cdcde81.pasic@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200220161309.GB12709@lst.de>

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:13:09 +0100
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 05:06:06PM +0100, Halil Pasic wrote:
> > diff --git a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
> > index 867c7ebd3f10..fafc8f924955 100644
> > --- a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
> > +++ b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
> > @@ -243,6 +243,9 @@ static bool vring_use_dma_api(struct virtio_device *vdev)
> >  	if (!virtio_has_iommu_quirk(vdev))
> >  		return true;
> >  
> > +	if (force_dma_unencrypted(&vdev->dev))
> > +		return true;
> 
> Hell no.  This is a detail of the platform DMA direct implementation.

I beg to differ. If it was a detail of the DMA direct implementation, it
should have/would have been private to kernel/dma/direct.c. 

A look at 

$ git grep -e force_dma_unencrypted
arch/powerpc/include/asm/mem_encrypt.h:static inline bool force_dma_unencrypted(struct device *dev)
arch/s390/mm/init.c:bool force_dma_unencrypted(struct device *dev)
arch/x86/mm/mem_encrypt.c:bool force_dma_unencrypted(struct device *dev)
include/linux/dma-direct.h:bool force_dma_unencrypted(struct device *dev);
include/linux/dma-direct.h:static inline bool force_dma_unencrypted(struct device *dev)
kernel/dma/direct.c:    if (force_dma_unencrypted(dev))
kernel/dma/direct.c:    if (force_dma_unencrypted(dev))
kernel/dma/direct.c:        !force_dma_unencrypted(dev)) {
kernel/dma/direct.c:    if (force_dma_unencrypted(dev))
kernel/dma/direct.c:    if (force_dma_unencrypted(dev))
kernel/dma/direct.c:        !force_dma_unencrypted(dev)) {
kernel/dma/direct.c:    if (force_dma_unencrypted(dev))

tells you, that force_dma_unencrypted() is *consumed* by dma direct, but
*provided* by the memory encryption or memory management code.
I.e. platform code tells the dma (direct) code what decisions to make
under certain circumstances.

Consider what would we have to do to make PCI devices do I/O trough
pages that were shared when the guest is running in a protected VM. The
s390_pci_dma_ops would also need to know whether to 'force dma uencrypted'
or not, and it's the exact same logic. I doubt simply using DMA direct
for zPCI would do, because we still have to do all the Z specific IOMMU
management.

> Drivers have no business looking at this flag, and virtio finally needs
> to be fixed to use the DMA API properly for everything but legacy devices.

See the follow on discussion with David Gibson. In short: I'm in favor
of always using DMA API iff we keep conformance with the VIRTIO spec and
if it does not imply any degradations for s390 (virtio-ccw), or any
other regressions.

> 
> No amount of desparate hacks is going to fix that fundamental problem,
> and I'm starting to get really sick and tired of all the crap patches
> published in this area.

I don't think I deserve the offensive language.

AFAIU you have a positive attitude towards the idea, that 
!F_VIRTIO_PLATFORM implies 'no DMA API is used by virtio' 
should be scrapped. 

I would like to accomplish that without adverse effects to virtio-ccw
(because caring for virtio-ccw is a part of job description).

Regards,
Halil

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-02-21 14:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-20 16:06 [PATCH 0/2] virtio: decouple protected guest RAM form VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM Halil Pasic
2020-02-20 16:06 ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: move force_dma_unencrypted() to mem_encrypt.h Halil Pasic
2020-02-20 16:06   ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-20 16:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-20 16:11     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-20 16:23     ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-02-20 16:23       ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-02-20 16:31       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-20 16:31         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-20 16:31         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-20 17:00         ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-02-20 17:00           ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-02-21  3:27         ` David Gibson
2020-02-21  3:27           ` David Gibson
2020-02-21 13:06           ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 13:06             ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 15:48             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-21 15:48               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-21 18:07               ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 18:07                 ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-24  3:33                 ` David Gibson
2020-02-24  3:33                   ` David Gibson
2020-02-24 18:49                   ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-24 18:49                     ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-25 18:08                     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-02-25 18:08                       ` Cornelia Huck
2020-02-28  0:23                       ` David Gibson
2020-02-28  0:23                         ` David Gibson
2020-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 2/2] virtio: let virtio use DMA API when guest RAM is protected Halil Pasic
2020-02-20 16:06   ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-20 16:13   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-20 16:13     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21  2:59     ` David Gibson
2020-02-21  2:59       ` David Gibson
2020-02-21  3:41       ` Jason Wang
2020-02-21  3:41         ` Jason Wang
2020-02-21 13:31         ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 13:31           ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 13:27       ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 13:27         ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 16:36       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 16:36         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-24  6:50         ` David Gibson
2020-02-24  6:50           ` David Gibson
2020-02-24 18:59         ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-24 18:59           ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-24 18:59           ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 14:33     ` Halil Pasic [this message]
2020-02-21 14:33       ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 16:39       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 16:39         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 18:16         ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 18:16           ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 18:16           ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-22 19:07       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-22 19:07         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-24 17:16         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-24 17:16           ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-10-28 14:24           ` Alexander Graf via iommu
2020-10-28 18:01             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-10-28 18:01               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-10-28 18:01               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-20 20:55   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-20 20:55     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-21  1:17     ` Ram Pai
2020-02-21  1:17       ` Ram Pai
2020-02-21  1:17       ` Ram Pai
2020-02-21  3:29       ` David Gibson
2020-02-21  3:29         ` David Gibson
2020-02-21 13:12     ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 13:12       ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 15:39       ` Tom Lendacky
2020-02-21 15:39         ` Tom Lendacky
2020-02-24  6:40         ` David Gibson
2020-02-24  6:40           ` David Gibson
2020-02-24  6:40           ` David Gibson
2020-02-21 15:56       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-21 15:56         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-21 16:35         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 16:35           ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 18:03         ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 18:03           ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-20 20:48 ` [PATCH 0/2] virtio: decouple protected guest RAM form VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-20 20:48   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-20 21:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-20 21:29   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-21 13:37   ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 13:37     ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-20 21:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-20 21:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-21 13:49   ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 13:49     ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 16:41   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 16:41     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-24  5:44     ` David Gibson
2020-02-24  5:44       ` David Gibson
2020-02-24  5:44       ` David Gibson
2020-02-21  6:22 ` Jason Wang
2020-02-21  6:22   ` Jason Wang
2020-02-21 14:56   ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-21 14:56     ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-24  3:38     ` David Gibson
2020-02-24  3:38       ` David Gibson
2020-02-24  4:01     ` Jason Wang
2020-02-24  4:01       ` Jason Wang
2020-02-24  4:01       ` Jason Wang
2020-02-24  6:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-24  6:06         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-24  6:45         ` Jason Wang
2020-02-24  6:45           ` Jason Wang
2020-02-24  7:48           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-24  7:48             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-24  9:26             ` Jason Wang
2020-02-24  9:26               ` Jason Wang
2020-02-24 13:40               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-24 13:40                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-25  3:38                 ` Jason Wang
2020-02-25  3:38                   ` Jason Wang
2020-02-24 13:56               ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-24 13:56                 ` Halil Pasic
2020-02-25  3:30                 ` Jason Wang
2020-02-25  3:30                   ` Jason Wang
2020-02-25  3:30                   ` Jason Wang

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