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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Alex Belits <abelits@marvell.com>
Cc: "tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"frederic@kernel.org" <frederic@kernel.org>,
	"rostedt@goodmis.org" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
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	Prasun Kapoor <pkapoor@marvell.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] "Task_isolation" mode
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:49:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200723154933.GB709@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <831e023422aa0e4cb3da37ceef6fdcd5bc854682.camel@marvell.com>

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 03:18:42PM +0000, Alex Belits wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 15:17 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > 
> > Without going into details of the individual patches, let me give you a
> > high level view of this series:
> > 
> >   1) Entry code handling:
> > 
> >      That's completely broken vs. the careful ordering and instrumentation
> >      protection of the entry code. You can't just slap stuff randomly
> >      into places which you think are safe w/o actually trying to understand
> >      why this code is ordered in the way it is.
> > 
> >      This clearly was never built and tested with any of the relevant
> >      debug options enabled. Both build and boot would have told you.
> 
> This is intended to avoid a race condition when entry or exit from isolation
> happens at the same time as an event that requires synchronization. The idea
> is, it is possible to insulate the core from all events while it is running
> isolated task in userspace, it will receive those calls normally after
> breaking isolation and entering kernel, and it will synchronize itself on
> kernel entry.

'What does noinstr mean? and why do we have it" -- don't dare touch the
entry code until you can answer that.

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	<netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] "Task_isolation" mode
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:49:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200723154933.GB709@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <831e023422aa0e4cb3da37ceef6fdcd5bc854682.camel-eYqpPyKDWXRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 03:18:42PM +0000, Alex Belits wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 15:17 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > 
> > Without going into details of the individual patches, let me give you a
> > high level view of this series:
> > 
> >   1) Entry code handling:
> > 
> >      That's completely broken vs. the careful ordering and instrumentation
> >      protection of the entry code. You can't just slap stuff randomly
> >      into places which you think are safe w/o actually trying to understand
> >      why this code is ordered in the way it is.
> > 
> >      This clearly was never built and tested with any of the relevant
> >      debug options enabled. Both build and boot would have told you.
> 
> This is intended to avoid a race condition when entry or exit from isolation
> happens at the same time as an event that requires synchronization. The idea
> is, it is possible to insulate the core from all events while it is running
> isolated task in userspace, it will receive those calls normally after
> breaking isolation and entering kernel, and it will synchronize itself on
> kernel entry.

'What does noinstr mean? and why do we have it" -- don't dare touch the
entry code until you can answer that.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Alex Belits <abelits@marvell.com>
Cc: "linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"catalin.marinas@arm.com" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Prasun Kapoor <pkapoor@marvell.com>,
	"frederic@kernel.org" <frederic@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"rostedt@goodmis.org" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-api@vger.kernel.org" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"will@kernel.org" <will@kernel.org>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] "Task_isolation" mode
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:49:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200723154933.GB709@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <831e023422aa0e4cb3da37ceef6fdcd5bc854682.camel@marvell.com>

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 03:18:42PM +0000, Alex Belits wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 15:17 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > 
> > Without going into details of the individual patches, let me give you a
> > high level view of this series:
> > 
> >   1) Entry code handling:
> > 
> >      That's completely broken vs. the careful ordering and instrumentation
> >      protection of the entry code. You can't just slap stuff randomly
> >      into places which you think are safe w/o actually trying to understand
> >      why this code is ordered in the way it is.
> > 
> >      This clearly was never built and tested with any of the relevant
> >      debug options enabled. Both build and boot would have told you.
> 
> This is intended to avoid a race condition when entry or exit from isolation
> happens at the same time as an event that requires synchronization. The idea
> is, it is possible to insulate the core from all events while it is running
> isolated task in userspace, it will receive those calls normally after
> breaking isolation and entering kernel, and it will synchronize itself on
> kernel entry.

'What does noinstr mean? and why do we have it" -- don't dare touch the
entry code until you can answer that.

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-23 15:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-22 14:44 [PATCH v4 00/13] "Task_isolation" mode Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:44 ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:47 ` [PATCH v4 01/13] task_isolation: vmstat: add quiet_vmstat_sync function Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:47   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:47   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:48 ` [PATCH v4 02/13] task_isolation: vmstat: add vmstat_idle function Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:48   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 03/13] task_isolation: userspace hard isolation from kernel Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:49   ` Alex Belits
2020-10-01 13:56   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-01 13:56     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-04 14:44     ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2020-10-04 14:44       ` Alex Belits
2020-10-04 23:14       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-04 23:14         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-05 18:52         ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-05 18:52           ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-06 10:35           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-06 10:35             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-17  1:13             ` Alex Belits
2020-10-17  1:13               ` Alex Belits
2020-10-17  1:08           ` Alex Belits
2020-10-17  1:08             ` Alex Belits
2020-10-17 16:08             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-17 16:08               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-17 16:15               ` Alex Belits
2020-10-17 16:15                 ` Alex Belits
2020-10-17 20:03                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-17 20:03                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-06 11:01         ` Alex Belits
2020-10-06 11:01           ` Alex Belits
2020-10-01 14:40   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-01 14:40     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-04 15:01     ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2020-10-04 15:01       ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:51 ` [PATCH v4 04/13] task_isolation: Add task isolation hooks to arch-independent code Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:51   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:51   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:51 ` [PATCH v4 05/13] task_isolation: Add xen-specific hook Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:51   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:53 ` [PATCH 06/13] task_isolation: Add driver-specific hooks Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:53   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:54 ` [PATCH v4 07/13] task_isolation: arch/x86: enable task isolation functionality Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:54   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:55 ` [PATCH 08/13] task_isolation: arch/arm64: " Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:55   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:55   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:56 ` [PATCH v4 09/13] task_isolation: arch/arm: " Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:56   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:56   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:57 ` [PATCH v4 10/13] task_isolation: don't interrupt CPUs with tick_nohz_full_kick_cpu() Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:57   ` Alex Belits
2020-10-01 14:44   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-01 14:44     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-04 15:22     ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2020-10-04 15:22       ` Alex Belits
2020-10-06 21:41       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-06 21:41         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-17  0:17         ` Alex Belits
2020-10-17  0:17           ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:58 ` [PATCH v4 11/13] task_isolation: net: don't flush backlog on CPUs running isolated tasks Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:58   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:58   ` Alex Belits
2020-10-01 14:47   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-01 14:47     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-04 17:12     ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2020-10-04 17:12       ` Alex Belits
2021-01-22 14:13     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-01-22 14:13       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-01-22 16:13       ` Paolo Abeni
2021-01-22 16:13         ` Paolo Abeni
2020-07-22 14:59 ` [PATCH v4 12/13] task_isolation: ringbuffer: don't interrupt CPUs running isolated tasks on buffer resize Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:59   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:59 ` [PATCH 13/13] task_isolation: kick_all_cpus_sync: don't kick isolated cpus Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:59   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:59   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-23 13:17 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] "Task_isolation" mode Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 13:17   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 13:17   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 14:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 14:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 14:53     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 14:53       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 14:53       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 14:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 14:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 15:41     ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2020-07-23 15:41       ` Alex Belits
2020-07-23 15:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 15:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 16:19         ` Alex Belits
2020-07-23 16:19           ` Alex Belits
2020-07-23 15:18   ` Alex Belits
2020-07-23 15:18     ` Alex Belits
2020-07-23 15:49     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2020-07-23 15:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 15:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 16:50       ` Alex Belits
2020-07-23 16:50         ` Alex Belits
2020-07-23 21:44         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 21:44           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 21:44           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-24  3:00           ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2020-07-24  3:00             ` Alex Belits
2020-07-24 16:08             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-24 16:08               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-24 16:08               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 21:31     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 21:31       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 21:31       ` Thomas Gleixner

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