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From: Jason Gunthorpe via iommu <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>
To: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Cc: Chaitanya Kulkarni <kch@nvidia.com>,
	"Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"rafael@kernel.org" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Pan, Jacob jun" <jacob.jun.pan@intel.com>,
	"linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Diana Craciun <diana.craciun@oss.nxp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/11] iommu: Add device dma ownership set/release interfaces
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 09:33:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211118133325.GO2105516@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BN9PR11MB5433639E43C37C5D2462BD718C9B9@BN9PR11MB5433.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 02:39:45AM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:
> > From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:46 PM
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 09:57:30AM +0800, Lu Baolu wrote:
> > > Hi Christoph,
> > >
> > > On 11/15/21 9:14 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 10:05:42AM +0800, Lu Baolu wrote:
> > > > > +enum iommu_dma_owner {
> > > > > +	DMA_OWNER_NONE,
> > > > > +	DMA_OWNER_KERNEL,
> > > > > +	DMA_OWNER_USER,
> > > > > +};
> > > > > +
> > > >
> > > > > +	enum iommu_dma_owner dma_owner;
> > > > > +	refcount_t owner_cnt;
> > > > > +	struct file *owner_user_file;
> > > >
> > > > I'd just overload the ownership into owner_user_file,
> > > >
> > > >   NULL			-> no owner
> > > >   (struct file *)1UL)	-> kernel
> > > >   real pointer		-> user
> > > >
> > > > Which could simplify a lot of the code dealing with the owner.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah! Sounds reasonable. I will make this in the next version.
> > 
> > It would be good to figure out how to make iommu_attach_device()
> > enforce no other driver binding as a kernel user without a file *, as
> > Robin pointed to, before optimizing this.
> > 
> > This fixes an existing bug where iommu_attach_device() only checks the
> > group size and is vunerable to a hot plug increasing the group size
> > after it returns. That check should be replaced by this series's logic
> > instead.
> > 
> 
> I think this existing bug in iommu_attach_devce() is different from 
> what this series is attempting to solve. To avoid breaking singleton
> group assumption there the ideal band-aid is to fail device hotplug.
> Otherwise some IOVA ranges which are supposed to go upstream 
> to IOMMU may be considered as p2p and routed to the hotplugged
> device instead.

Yes, but the instability of the reserved regions during hotplug with
!ACS seems like an entirely different problem. It affects everything,
including VFIO, and multi-device groups. Certainly it is nothing to do
with this series.

> In concept a singleton group is different from a
> multi-devices group which has only one device bound to driver...

Really? Why? I don't see it that way..

A singleton group is just a multi-device group that hasn't been
hotplugged yet.

We don't seem to have the concept of a "true" singleton group which is
permanently single due to HW features.

> This series aims to avoid conflict having both user and kernel drivers
> mixed in a multi-devices group.

I see this series about bringing order to all the places that want to
use a non-default domain - in-kernel or user doesn't really matter.

ie why shouldn't iommu_attach_device() work in a group that has a PCI
bridge, just like VFIO does?

The only thing that is special about VFIO vs a kernel driver is we
want a little help to track userspace ownership and VFIO opens
userspace to do the P2P attack.

The way I see it the num device == 1 test in iommu_attach_device() is
an imperfect way of controlling driver binding, and we can do better
by using the mechanism in this series.

Jason
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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Cc: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	Chaitanya Kulkarni <kch@nvidia.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"rafael@kernel.org" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"Pan, Jacob jun" <jacob.jun.pan@intel.com>,
	Diana Craciun <diana.craciun@oss.nxp.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/11] iommu: Add device dma ownership set/release interfaces
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 09:33:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211118133325.GO2105516@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BN9PR11MB5433639E43C37C5D2462BD718C9B9@BN9PR11MB5433.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 02:39:45AM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:
> > From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:46 PM
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 09:57:30AM +0800, Lu Baolu wrote:
> > > Hi Christoph,
> > >
> > > On 11/15/21 9:14 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 10:05:42AM +0800, Lu Baolu wrote:
> > > > > +enum iommu_dma_owner {
> > > > > +	DMA_OWNER_NONE,
> > > > > +	DMA_OWNER_KERNEL,
> > > > > +	DMA_OWNER_USER,
> > > > > +};
> > > > > +
> > > >
> > > > > +	enum iommu_dma_owner dma_owner;
> > > > > +	refcount_t owner_cnt;
> > > > > +	struct file *owner_user_file;
> > > >
> > > > I'd just overload the ownership into owner_user_file,
> > > >
> > > >   NULL			-> no owner
> > > >   (struct file *)1UL)	-> kernel
> > > >   real pointer		-> user
> > > >
> > > > Which could simplify a lot of the code dealing with the owner.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah! Sounds reasonable. I will make this in the next version.
> > 
> > It would be good to figure out how to make iommu_attach_device()
> > enforce no other driver binding as a kernel user without a file *, as
> > Robin pointed to, before optimizing this.
> > 
> > This fixes an existing bug where iommu_attach_device() only checks the
> > group size and is vunerable to a hot plug increasing the group size
> > after it returns. That check should be replaced by this series's logic
> > instead.
> > 
> 
> I think this existing bug in iommu_attach_devce() is different from 
> what this series is attempting to solve. To avoid breaking singleton
> group assumption there the ideal band-aid is to fail device hotplug.
> Otherwise some IOVA ranges which are supposed to go upstream 
> to IOMMU may be considered as p2p and routed to the hotplugged
> device instead.

Yes, but the instability of the reserved regions during hotplug with
!ACS seems like an entirely different problem. It affects everything,
including VFIO, and multi-device groups. Certainly it is nothing to do
with this series.

> In concept a singleton group is different from a
> multi-devices group which has only one device bound to driver...

Really? Why? I don't see it that way..

A singleton group is just a multi-device group that hasn't been
hotplugged yet.

We don't seem to have the concept of a "true" singleton group which is
permanently single due to HW features.

> This series aims to avoid conflict having both user and kernel drivers
> mixed in a multi-devices group.

I see this series about bringing order to all the places that want to
use a non-default domain - in-kernel or user doesn't really matter.

ie why shouldn't iommu_attach_device() work in a group that has a PCI
bridge, just like VFIO does?

The only thing that is special about VFIO vs a kernel driver is we
want a little help to track userspace ownership and VFIO opens
userspace to do the P2P attack.

The way I see it the num device == 1 test in iommu_attach_device() is
an imperfect way of controlling driver binding, and we can do better
by using the mechanism in this series.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-18 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-15  2:05 [PATCH 00/11] Fix BUG_ON in vfio_iommu_group_notifier() Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05 ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 01/11] iommu: Add device dma ownership set/release interfaces Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05   ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15 13:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 13:14     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-16  1:57     ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-16  1:57       ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-16 13:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-16 13:46         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-17  5:22         ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-17  5:22           ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-17 13:35           ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-17 13:35             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-18  1:12             ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-18  1:12               ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-18 14:10               ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-18 14:10                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-18  2:39         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-11-18  2:39           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-11-18 13:33           ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu [this message]
2021-11-18 13:33             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-19  5:44             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-11-19  5:44               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-11-19 11:14               ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-19 11:14                 ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-19 15:06                 ` Jörg Rödel
2021-11-19 15:06                   ` Jörg Rödel
2021-11-19 15:43                   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-19 15:43                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-20 11:16                   ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-20 11:16                     ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-19 12:56               ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-19 12:56                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15 20:38   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-11-15 20:38     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-11-16  1:52     ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-16  1:52       ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 02/11] driver core: Set DMA ownership during driver bind/unbind Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05   ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  6:59   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-11-15  6:59     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-11-15 13:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 13:20       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 13:38     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-15 13:38       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15 13:19   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 13:19     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 13:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-15 13:24       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15 15:37       ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 15:37         ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 15:56         ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-15 15:56           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15 18:15           ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 18:15             ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 18:35           ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 18:35             ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 19:39             ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-15 19:39               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 03/11] PCI: pci_stub: Suppress kernel DMA ownership auto-claiming Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05   ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15 13:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 13:21     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 13:31     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-15 13:31       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15 15:14       ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 15:14         ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 16:17         ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-15 16:17           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15 17:54           ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 17:54             ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 18:19             ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 18:19               ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 18:44               ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 18:44                 ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 19:22             ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-15 19:22               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15 20:58               ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 20:58                 ` Robin Murphy
2021-11-15 21:19                 ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-15 21:19                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15 20:48   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-11-15 20:48     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-11-15 22:17   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-11-15 22:17     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-11-16  6:05     ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-16  6:05       ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 04/11] PCI: portdrv: " Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05   ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15 20:44   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-11-15 20:44     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-11-16  7:24     ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-16  7:24       ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-16 20:22       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-11-16 20:22         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-11-16 20:48         ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-11-16 20:48           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 05/11] iommu: Add security context management for assigned devices Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05   ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15 13:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 13:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-16  7:25     ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-16  7:25       ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 06/11] iommu: Expose group variants of dma ownership interfaces Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05   ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15 13:27   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-15 13:27     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-16  9:42     ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-16  9:42       ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 07/11] vfio: Use DMA_OWNER_USER to declaim passthrough devices Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05   ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 08/11] vfio: Remove use of vfio_group_viable() Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05   ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 09/11] vfio: Delete the unbound_list Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05   ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 10/11] vfio: Remove iommu group notifier Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05   ` Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 11/11] iommu: Remove iommu group changes notifier Lu Baolu
2021-11-15  2:05   ` Lu Baolu

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