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From: Nitesh Shetty <nj.shetty@samsung.com>
To: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, dm-devel@redhat.com, hch@lst.de,
	agk@redhat.com, naohiro.aota@wdc.com, sagi@grimberg.me,
	gost.dev@samsung.com, damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com,
	james.smart@broadcom.com, p.raghav@samsung.com, kch@nvidia.com,
	anuj20.g@samsung.com, snitzer@kernel.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	kbusch@kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk, joshi.k@samsung.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	jth@kernel.org, nitheshshetty@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 02/10] block: Add copy offload support infrastructure
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 15:37:12 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221123100712.GA26377@test-zns> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y33UAp6ncSPO84XI@T590>

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On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 04:04:18PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 11:28:19AM +0530, Nitesh Shetty wrote:
> > Introduce blkdev_issue_copy which supports source and destination bdevs,
> > and an array of (source, destination and copy length) tuples.
> > Introduce REQ_COPY copy offload operation flag. Create a read-write
> > bio pair with a token as payload and submitted to the device in order.
> > Read request populates token with source specific information which
> > is then passed with write request.
> > This design is courtesy Mikulas Patocka's token based copy
> 
> I thought this patchset is just for enabling copy command which is
> supported by hardware. But turns out it isn't, because blk_copy_offload()
> still submits read/write bios for doing the copy.
> 
> I am just wondering why not let copy_file_range() cover this kind of copy,
> and the framework has been there.
> 

Main goal was to enable copy command, but community suggested to add
copy emulation as well.

blk_copy_offload - actually issues copy command in driver layer.
The way read/write BIOs are percieved is different for copy offload.
In copy offload we check REQ_COPY flag in NVMe driver layer to issue
copy command. But we did missed it to add in other driver's, where they
might be treated as normal READ/WRITE.

blk_copy_emulate - is used if we fail or if device doesn't support native
copy offload command. Here we do READ/WRITE. Using copy_file_range for
emulation might be possible, but we see 2 issues here.
1. We explored possibility of pulling dm-kcopyd to block layer so that we 
can readily use it. But we found it had many dependecies from dm-layer.
So later dropped that idea.
2. copy_file_range, for block device atleast we saw few check's which fail
it for raw block device. At this point I dont know much about the history of
why such check is present.

> When I was researching pipe/splice code for supporting ublk zero copy[1], I
> have got idea for async copy_file_range(), such as: io uring based
> direct splice, user backed intermediate buffer, still zero copy, if these
> ideas are finally implemented, we could get super-fast generic offload copy,
> and bdev copy is really covered too.
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/20221103085004.1029763-1-ming.lei@redhat.com/
> 

Seems interesting, We will take a look into this.

> 
> 

Thanks,
Nitesh

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From: Nitesh Shetty <nj.shetty@samsung.com>
To: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
Cc: axboe@kernel.dk, agk@redhat.com, snitzer@kernel.org,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, kbusch@kernel.org, hch@lst.de,
	sagi@grimberg.me, james.smart@broadcom.com, kch@nvidia.com,
	damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com, naohiro.aota@wdc.com,
	jth@kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	anuj20.g@samsung.com, joshi.k@samsung.com, p.raghav@samsung.com,
	nitheshshetty@gmail.com, gost.dev@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/10] block: Add copy offload support infrastructure
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 15:37:12 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221123100712.GA26377@test-zns> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y33UAp6ncSPO84XI@T590>

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On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 04:04:18PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 11:28:19AM +0530, Nitesh Shetty wrote:
> > Introduce blkdev_issue_copy which supports source and destination bdevs,
> > and an array of (source, destination and copy length) tuples.
> > Introduce REQ_COPY copy offload operation flag. Create a read-write
> > bio pair with a token as payload and submitted to the device in order.
> > Read request populates token with source specific information which
> > is then passed with write request.
> > This design is courtesy Mikulas Patocka's token based copy
> 
> I thought this patchset is just for enabling copy command which is
> supported by hardware. But turns out it isn't, because blk_copy_offload()
> still submits read/write bios for doing the copy.
> 
> I am just wondering why not let copy_file_range() cover this kind of copy,
> and the framework has been there.
> 

Main goal was to enable copy command, but community suggested to add
copy emulation as well.

blk_copy_offload - actually issues copy command in driver layer.
The way read/write BIOs are percieved is different for copy offload.
In copy offload we check REQ_COPY flag in NVMe driver layer to issue
copy command. But we did missed it to add in other driver's, where they
might be treated as normal READ/WRITE.

blk_copy_emulate - is used if we fail or if device doesn't support native
copy offload command. Here we do READ/WRITE. Using copy_file_range for
emulation might be possible, but we see 2 issues here.
1. We explored possibility of pulling dm-kcopyd to block layer so that we 
can readily use it. But we found it had many dependecies from dm-layer.
So later dropped that idea.
2. copy_file_range, for block device atleast we saw few check's which fail
it for raw block device. At this point I dont know much about the history of
why such check is present.

> When I was researching pipe/splice code for supporting ublk zero copy[1], I
> have got idea for async copy_file_range(), such as: io uring based
> direct splice, user backed intermediate buffer, still zero copy, if these
> ideas are finally implemented, we could get super-fast generic offload copy,
> and bdev copy is really covered too.
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/20221103085004.1029763-1-ming.lei@redhat.com/
> 

Seems interesting, We will take a look into this.

> 
> 

Thanks,
Nitesh

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-23 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2022-11-23  5:58 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 00/10] Implement copy offload support Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58   ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58   ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 01/10] block: Introduce queue limits for copy-offload support Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58     ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58   ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 02/10] block: Add copy offload support infrastructure Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58     ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  8:04     ` [dm-devel] " Ming Lei
2022-11-23  8:04       ` Ming Lei
2022-11-23 10:07       ` Nitesh Shetty [this message]
2022-11-23 10:07         ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-24  0:03         ` [dm-devel] " Ming Lei
2022-11-24  0:03           ` Ming Lei
2022-11-29 11:44           ` [dm-devel] " Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-29 11:44             ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-12-07  5:54             ` [dm-devel] " Nitesh Shetty
2022-12-07  5:54               ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-12-07 11:19               ` [dm-devel] " Ming Lei
2022-12-07 11:19                 ` Ming Lei
2022-12-09  8:16                 ` [dm-devel] " Nitesh Shetty
2022-12-09  8:16                   ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58   ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 03/10] block: add emulation for copy Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58     ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58   ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 04/10] block: Introduce a new ioctl " Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58     ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58   ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 05/10] nvme: add copy offload support Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58     ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58   ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 06/10] nvmet: add copy command support for bdev and file ns Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58     ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  8:17     ` [dm-devel] " Guixin Liu
2022-11-23  9:39       ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  9:39         ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-12-06  9:22     ` [dm-devel] " kernel test robot
2022-12-06  9:22       ` kernel test robot
2022-11-23  5:58   ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 07/10] dm: Add support for copy offload Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58     ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58   ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 08/10] dm: Enable copy offload for dm-linear target Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58     ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58   ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 09/10] dm kcopyd: use copy offload support Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58     ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58   ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 10/10] fs: add support for copy file range in zonefs Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  5:58     ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23  6:53     ` [dm-devel] " Amir Goldstein
2022-11-23  6:53       ` Amir Goldstein
2022-11-23 10:13       ` [dm-devel] " Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-23 10:13         ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-24  1:32     ` [dm-devel] " Damien Le Moal
2022-11-24  1:32       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-24  1:47       ` [dm-devel] " Damien Le Moal
2022-11-24  1:47         ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-25  4:18         ` [dm-devel] " Al Viro
2022-11-25  4:18           ` Al Viro
2022-11-29 12:22         ` [dm-devel] " Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-29 12:22           ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-29 23:45           ` [dm-devel] " Damien Le Moal
2022-11-29 23:45             ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-30  4:17             ` [dm-devel] " Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-30  4:17               ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-30  9:55               ` [dm-devel] " Damien Le Moal
2022-11-30  9:55                 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-23 22:56   ` [dm-devel] [PATCH v5 00/10] Implement copy offload support Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-11-23 22:56     ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-11-29 12:16     ` [dm-devel] " Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-29 12:16       ` Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-30  0:05       ` [dm-devel] " Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-11-30  0:05         ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2022-11-30  4:14         ` [dm-devel] " Nitesh Shetty
2022-11-30  4:14           ` Nitesh Shetty

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