From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
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Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
Maor Gottlieb <maorg@nvidia.com>,
"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>
Subject: [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 04:54:00 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230607045225-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACGkMEsVrqCGJJ2Q5OGbgPdtEJHTpvVt6nEKP_MzkSH_-cOa6w@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 02:54:22PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 11:06 AM Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 10:27 PM
> > >
> > > I can't say I like this. I prefer to do meditation on top of a modern device with
> > > some lightweight features like _F_LEAGCY_HEADER. I don't see any advantages
> > > of a new legacy ABI over _F_LEGACY_HEADER. I don't want to repeat but I don't
> > > get any response here
> > >
> > It is net only and not generic. Not a big blocker.
> > It doesnt stop at _F_LEAGCY_HEADER.
> >
> > > Anything that prevents you from adding things like VIRTIO_NET_F_LEGACY_HEADER?
> > It requires hypervisor to mediate 1.x config region and intercept feature negotiation including q config and more.
>
> For config region, do you mean device configuration space or common
> config space?
>
> I don't see why we need to do mediation on neiter of the above.
> Hypervisor just need to prepare
>
> 1) legacy BAR with legacy config and device configuration space and
> 2) modern BAR with modern capabilities (common cfg and device cfg)
>
> For 2) it could be mapped directly to the modern capabilities. For 1)
> hypervisor needs to mediate
>
> >
> > Additionally, 1.x device says the mac address is read only, while legacy is RW.
> > And that requires yet another feature bit negotiation.
>
> Hypervisor can trap the legacy device configuration space write and
> convert it to cvq commands.
>
> Thanks
Hypervisor really can't access cvq if guest is doing it too -
that requires emulating cvq in software. And *that* is going
to be broken for workloads such as confidential computing.
> >
> > The main design goal is to not mediate 1.x specific region and not modify 1.x region definitions.
> > Which is why we step forward with the AQ.
> >
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/virtio-
> > > dev/CACGkMEuixsBibSq_pEQvcKOH0WBQWnta4Q2c28SV8qTS8gaVcA@mail.g
> > > mail.com/#t
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
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"sburla@marvell.com" <sburla@marvell.com>,
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Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 04:54:00 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230607045225-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACGkMEsVrqCGJJ2Q5OGbgPdtEJHTpvVt6nEKP_MzkSH_-cOa6w@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 02:54:22PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 11:06 AM Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 10:27 PM
> > >
> > > I can't say I like this. I prefer to do meditation on top of a modern device with
> > > some lightweight features like _F_LEAGCY_HEADER. I don't see any advantages
> > > of a new legacy ABI over _F_LEGACY_HEADER. I don't want to repeat but I don't
> > > get any response here
> > >
> > It is net only and not generic. Not a big blocker.
> > It doesnt stop at _F_LEAGCY_HEADER.
> >
> > > Anything that prevents you from adding things like VIRTIO_NET_F_LEGACY_HEADER?
> > It requires hypervisor to mediate 1.x config region and intercept feature negotiation including q config and more.
>
> For config region, do you mean device configuration space or common
> config space?
>
> I don't see why we need to do mediation on neiter of the above.
> Hypervisor just need to prepare
>
> 1) legacy BAR with legacy config and device configuration space and
> 2) modern BAR with modern capabilities (common cfg and device cfg)
>
> For 2) it could be mapped directly to the modern capabilities. For 1)
> hypervisor needs to mediate
>
> >
> > Additionally, 1.x device says the mac address is read only, while legacy is RW.
> > And that requires yet another feature bit negotiation.
>
> Hypervisor can trap the legacy device configuration space write and
> convert it to cvq commands.
>
> Thanks
Hypervisor really can't access cvq if guest is doing it too -
that requires emulating cvq in software. And *that* is going
to be broken for workloads such as confidential computing.
> >
> > The main design goal is to not mediate 1.x specific region and not modify 1.x region definitions.
> > Which is why we step forward with the AQ.
> >
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/virtio-
> > > dev/CACGkMEuixsBibSq_pEQvcKOH0WBQWnta4Q2c28SV8qTS8gaVcA@mail.g
> > > mail.com/#t
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2023-06-02 20:36 [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 0/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 1/3] admin: Split opcode table rows with a line Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 2/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access commands Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:22 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:22 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:51 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:51 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:13 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:13 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:32 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:32 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:41 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:41 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 15:01 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 15:01 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 22:10 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 22:10 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 23:57 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 23:57 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:34 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:34 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:55 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:55 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:00 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:00 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:04 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:04 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 3/3] transport-pci: Add legacy register access conformance section Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:34 ` [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:34 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:41 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:41 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:55 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:55 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:10 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:10 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:23 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:23 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:48 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:48 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:53 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:53 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 15:07 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 15:07 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 21:48 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 21:48 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 23:40 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 23:40 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 5:51 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 5:51 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 13:27 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 13:27 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 13:50 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 13:50 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 16:04 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 16:04 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 21:57 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 21:57 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 22:12 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 22:12 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-06 11:56 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-06 11:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-06 20:15 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-06 20:15 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-07 2:27 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-07 2:27 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-07 3:05 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-07 3:05 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-07 6:54 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-07 6:54 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-07 8:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-06-07 8:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 14:38 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 14:38 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 14:44 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 14:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 14:53 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 14:53 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 15:03 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 15:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 15:16 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 15:16 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:03 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:11 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:11 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:31 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:00 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:00 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:03 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:12 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:12 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09 2:06 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09 2:06 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09 2:29 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09 2:29 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09 2:42 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09 2:42 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09 2:53 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09 2:53 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09 2:56 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09 2:56 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09 2:58 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09 2:58 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09 3:02 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09 3:02 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09 3:25 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09 3:25 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09 6:27 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09 6:27 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09 7:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09 7:21 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09 17:11 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09 17:11 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 0:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 0:27 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 2:08 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 2:08 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 7:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 7:14 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 12:54 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 12:54 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 20:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 20:09 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 20:17 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 20:17 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 23:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 23:15 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-26 3:46 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26 3:46 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26 3:32 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26 3:32 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26 3:51 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-26 3:51 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-27 2:38 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-27 2:38 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-27 3:17 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-27 3:17 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-27 4:33 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-27 4:33 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26 3:50 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26 3:50 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26 3:55 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-26 3:55 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-26 10:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-26 10:49 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09 7:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09 7:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-26 3:59 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26 3:59 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26 4:04 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-26 4:04 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-27 2:42 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-27 2:42 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26 7:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-26 7:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-07 8:57 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-07 8:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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