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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"david.edmondson@oracle.com" <david.edmondson@oracle.com>,
	"sburla@marvell.com" <sburla@marvell.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	Maor Gottlieb <maorg@nvidia.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>
Subject: [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 15:03:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230608150118-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB548124D3E867D25B5DB65610DC50A@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 07:00:32PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> 
> > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 2:31 PM
> 
> > > > I'll do a proper review after the forum. Generally lots of small
> > > > things. Went looking just to give you a couple of
> > > > examples:
> > > > 	  too many mentions of VFs and PFs.
> > > > 	  text should talk about owner and member. Minimise
> > > > 	  mention of VFs to make it easier to extend to
> > > > 	  different group types.
> > > >
> > > True but most additions are in PCI transport chapter.
> > > But will change to member and owner.
> > 
> > Another thing that bothers me is that it references admin commands that are
> > defined later in the spec. I don't like it that we are making the reader jump back
> > and forth ...
> > Maybe it's better to put this in the admin command chapter.
> > 
> I considered that before.
> In its current form, there is very less back-n-forth jump.
> This is because admin chapter mostly enumerates the opcode.
> 
> And PCI legacy chapter talks about rest of the theory and command details.
> 
> When/if we have more transports for this, probably a generic place will be suitable.
> 
> Moving now to admin will surely have more back-n-forth as it needs to talk about PCI part and that PCI part will reside in PCI section.

well the point is that it's *back" not *forth*.
IOW add the command description in admin chapter,
make it point to legacy description in pci chapter which reader has
already read.

> > > > another example:
> > > > 	+The PCI VF device SHOULD NOT expose PCI BAR 0 when it prefers to
> > > > support
> > > >
> > > > VFs don't expose BARs at all. PF exposes VF BARs in SRIOV capability.
> > > >
> > > Yes, it is exposed by PF, the wording of "PCI VF device exposing" is not right.
> > > I will reword it.
> > 
> > So here's an example wording, I don't insist on it exactly but the point is to show
> > how we should use spec terminology whereever
> > possible:
> > 
> > If an owner of an SRIOV group supports all of
> > VIRTIO_ADMIN_CMD_LCC_REG_WRITE,
> > VIRTIO_ADMIN_CMD_LCC_REG_READ .... then it SHOULD NOT expose VF BAR0
> > (of non 0 size) as part of its SRIOV capability; this is to facilitate emulating IO
> > BAR0 for the legacy interface in software.
> > 
> Yes good one. Will use.

right and my point is try to word all of it like this.


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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"david.edmondson@oracle.com" <david.edmondson@oracle.com>,
	"sburla@marvell.com" <sburla@marvell.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	Maor Gottlieb <maorg@nvidia.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 15:03:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230608150118-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB548124D3E867D25B5DB65610DC50A@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 07:00:32PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> 
> > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 2:31 PM
> 
> > > > I'll do a proper review after the forum. Generally lots of small
> > > > things. Went looking just to give you a couple of
> > > > examples:
> > > > 	  too many mentions of VFs and PFs.
> > > > 	  text should talk about owner and member. Minimise
> > > > 	  mention of VFs to make it easier to extend to
> > > > 	  different group types.
> > > >
> > > True but most additions are in PCI transport chapter.
> > > But will change to member and owner.
> > 
> > Another thing that bothers me is that it references admin commands that are
> > defined later in the spec. I don't like it that we are making the reader jump back
> > and forth ...
> > Maybe it's better to put this in the admin command chapter.
> > 
> I considered that before.
> In its current form, there is very less back-n-forth jump.
> This is because admin chapter mostly enumerates the opcode.
> 
> And PCI legacy chapter talks about rest of the theory and command details.
> 
> When/if we have more transports for this, probably a generic place will be suitable.
> 
> Moving now to admin will surely have more back-n-forth as it needs to talk about PCI part and that PCI part will reside in PCI section.

well the point is that it's *back" not *forth*.
IOW add the command description in admin chapter,
make it point to legacy description in pci chapter which reader has
already read.

> > > > another example:
> > > > 	+The PCI VF device SHOULD NOT expose PCI BAR 0 when it prefers to
> > > > support
> > > >
> > > > VFs don't expose BARs at all. PF exposes VF BARs in SRIOV capability.
> > > >
> > > Yes, it is exposed by PF, the wording of "PCI VF device exposing" is not right.
> > > I will reword it.
> > 
> > So here's an example wording, I don't insist on it exactly but the point is to show
> > how we should use spec terminology whereever
> > possible:
> > 
> > If an owner of an SRIOV group supports all of
> > VIRTIO_ADMIN_CMD_LCC_REG_WRITE,
> > VIRTIO_ADMIN_CMD_LCC_REG_READ .... then it SHOULD NOT expose VF BAR0
> > (of non 0 size) as part of its SRIOV capability; this is to facilitate emulating IO
> > BAR0 for the legacy interface in software.
> > 
> Yes good one. Will use.

right and my point is try to word all of it like this.


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Thread overview: 164+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-02 20:36 [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 0/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 1/3] admin: Split opcode table rows with a line Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 2/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access commands Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:22   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:22     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:51     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:51       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:13       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:13         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:32         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:32           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:41           ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:41             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 15:01             ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 15:01               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 22:10               ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 22:10                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 23:57                 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 23:57                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:34   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:34     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:55     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:55       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:00       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:00         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:04         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:04           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 3/3] transport-pci: Add legacy register access conformance section Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:34 ` [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:34   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:41   ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:41     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:55     ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:55       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:10       ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:10         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:23         ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:23           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:48           ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:48             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:53             ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:53               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 15:07               ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 15:07                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 21:48                 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 21:48                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 23:40                   ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 23:40                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05  5:51                     ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05  5:51                       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 13:27                       ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 13:27                         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 13:50                         ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 13:50                           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 16:04                           ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 16:04                             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 21:57                             ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 21:57                               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 22:12                               ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 22:12                                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-06 11:56                                 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-06 11:56                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-06 20:15                                   ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-06 20:15                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-07  2:27                                   ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-07  2:27                                     ` Jason Wang
2023-06-07  3:05                                     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-07  3:05                                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-07  6:54                                       ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-07  6:54                                         ` Jason Wang
2023-06-07  8:54                                         ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-07  8:54                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 14:38                                         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 14:38                                           ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 14:44                                           ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 14:44                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 14:53                                             ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 14:53                                               ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 15:03                                               ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 15:03                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 15:16                                                 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 15:16                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:03                                                   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:03                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:11                                                     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:11                                                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:31                                                   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:31                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:00                                                     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:00                                                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:03                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-06-08 19:03                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:12                                                         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:12                                                           ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  2:06                                           ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09  2:06                                             ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09  2:29                                             ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  2:29                                               ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  2:42                                               ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09  2:42                                                 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09  2:53                                                 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  2:53                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  2:56                                                   ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09  2:56                                                     ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09  2:58                                                     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  2:58                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  3:02                                                       ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09  3:02                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09  3:25                                                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  3:25                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  6:27                                                           ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09  6:27                                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09  7:21                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09  7:21                                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09 17:11                                                               ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09 17:11                                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11  0:27                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11  0:27                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11  2:08                                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-11  2:08                                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11  7:14                                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11  7:14                                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 12:54                                                                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 12:54                                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 20:09                                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 20:09                                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 20:17                                                                           ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 20:17                                                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 23:15                                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 23:15                                                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-26  3:46                                                                   ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:46                                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:32                                                                 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:32                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:51                                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-26  3:51                                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-27  2:38                                                                     ` Jason Wang
2023-06-27  2:38                                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-27  3:17                                                                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-27  3:17                                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-27  4:33                                                                         ` Jason Wang
2023-06-27  4:33                                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:50                                                               ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:50                                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:55                                                                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-26  3:55                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-26 10:49                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-26 10:49                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09  7:15                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09  7:15                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-26  3:59                                               ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:59                                                 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26  4:04                                                 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-26  4:04                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-27  2:42                                                   ` Jason Wang
2023-06-27  2:42                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26  7:13                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-26  7:13                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-07  8:57                                     ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-07  8:57                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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