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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: "virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
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	"jasowang@redhat.com" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	Maor Gottlieb <maorg@nvidia.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>
Subject: [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v6 3/4] admin: Add group member legacy register access commands
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 13:33:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230619132640-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB5481AE9F8C823289DD17C7B2DC5FA@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 05:21:20PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> 
> 
> > From: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org <virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org> On
> > Behalf Of Michael S. Tsirkin
> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 1:11 PM
> 
> > > The "legacy interface of member device" is a vague term. As implementer,
> > reader I don't understand what that means.
> > > The commands clearly communicate the scope.
> > 
> > Add this as an example then.
> >
> I don't know what this means. 
> The section speaks for itself.
> We currently have,
> 
> Section 2.12.1 as "Group administration commands".
> Under this I added,
> 2.12.1.1 -> Legacy interface: legacy configuration access commands"
> 
> Above is no different than 
> "3.1.2 Legacy Interface: Device Initialization"
> 
> Tomorrow,
> 2.12.1.2 -> features config commands
> 2.12.1.3 -> 
>  
> > > > If you want to also have a type specific text, be my guest
> > > > "specifically, for an SRIOV type" ....
> > > >
> > > SRIOV in generic section doesn't make sense. It is covered in the pci transport
> > section.
> > 
> > When it's convenient to you you argue that it's clearer, when it's not you want it
> > generic.  Just mention it quickly and link to the specific text in the new section.
> >
> If you reviewer makes point "it is suggestion".
> If patch proposer makes a point its "argue" is not good way to discuss.
> So can you please avoid quoting "arguing".

To argue
	verb: give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea,
	action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share
	one's view.

> 
> It is not my convenience.
> In the spec transport specific parts are not added.
> Hence, I said SR-IOV in generic to be avoided. It is better kept in the pci transport section.
> 
> > If you are intent on
> > spreading this all over the spec we'll need to rethink the whole approach.
> > 
> Where is this spread all over?
> In v5 it was self contained mainly in pci transport section.
> You asked to split to generic and pci.
> Fine, I split to two.

OK I see, I guess I wasn't clear. I was talking about as much as possible
using terms "owner" "member" "commands" "member_id" and so on,
such that the commands apply as generally as possible.
From that POV this needs a bit more work I think we can make more
things generic.

But I am looking for a way to keep this stuff as self contained
as possible. I don't much care whether the new tex is
under pci and admin command section just lists commands and links there,
or it is under admin and then pci section links there.

-- 
MST


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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: "virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"david.edmondson@oracle.com" <david.edmondson@oracle.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"sburla@marvell.com" <sburla@marvell.com>,
	"jasowang@redhat.com" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	Maor Gottlieb <maorg@nvidia.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v6 3/4] admin: Add group member legacy register access commands
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 13:33:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230619132640-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB5481AE9F8C823289DD17C7B2DC5FA@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 05:21:20PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> 
> 
> > From: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org <virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org> On
> > Behalf Of Michael S. Tsirkin
> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 1:11 PM
> 
> > > The "legacy interface of member device" is a vague term. As implementer,
> > reader I don't understand what that means.
> > > The commands clearly communicate the scope.
> > 
> > Add this as an example then.
> >
> I don't know what this means. 
> The section speaks for itself.
> We currently have,
> 
> Section 2.12.1 as "Group administration commands".
> Under this I added,
> 2.12.1.1 -> Legacy interface: legacy configuration access commands"
> 
> Above is no different than 
> "3.1.2 Legacy Interface: Device Initialization"
> 
> Tomorrow,
> 2.12.1.2 -> features config commands
> 2.12.1.3 -> 
>  
> > > > If you want to also have a type specific text, be my guest
> > > > "specifically, for an SRIOV type" ....
> > > >
> > > SRIOV in generic section doesn't make sense. It is covered in the pci transport
> > section.
> > 
> > When it's convenient to you you argue that it's clearer, when it's not you want it
> > generic.  Just mention it quickly and link to the specific text in the new section.
> >
> If you reviewer makes point "it is suggestion".
> If patch proposer makes a point its "argue" is not good way to discuss.
> So can you please avoid quoting "arguing".

To argue
	verb: give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea,
	action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share
	one's view.

> 
> It is not my convenience.
> In the spec transport specific parts are not added.
> Hence, I said SR-IOV in generic to be avoided. It is better kept in the pci transport section.
> 
> > If you are intent on
> > spreading this all over the spec we'll need to rethink the whole approach.
> > 
> Where is this spread all over?
> In v5 it was self contained mainly in pci transport section.
> You asked to split to generic and pci.
> Fine, I split to two.

OK I see, I guess I wasn't clear. I was talking about as much as possible
using terms "owner" "member" "commands" "member_id" and so on,
such that the commands apply as generally as possible.
From that POV this needs a bit more work I think we can make more
things generic.

But I am looking for a way to keep this stuff as self contained
as possible. I don't much care whether the new tex is
under pci and admin command section just lists commands and links there,
or it is under admin and then pci section links there.

-- 
MST


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  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-19 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-13 17:30 [virtio-comment] [PATCH v6 0/4] admin: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 17:30 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 17:30 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v6 1/4] admin: Split opcode table rows with a line Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 17:30   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 17:30 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v6 2/4] admin: Fix section numbering Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 17:30   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 17:30 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v6 3/4] admin: Add group member legacy register access commands Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 17:30   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 16:20   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 16:20     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 16:29     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 16:29       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 16:40       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 16:40         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 16:45         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 16:45           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:10           ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:10             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:21             ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:21               ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:33               ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-06-19 17:33                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:38                 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:38                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 17:30 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v6 4/4] transport-pci: Introduce group legacy group member config region access Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 17:30   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 16:16   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 16:16     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 21:07     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 21:07       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 20:05       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21 20:05         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21 20:22         ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 20:22           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 20:31           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21 20:31             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21 20:43             ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 20:43               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 16:37   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 16:37     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 16:39     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 16:39       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:19       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:19         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:26         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:26           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:37           ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:37             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:45             ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:45               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:57               ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:57                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 18:07                 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 18:07                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-20 14:12                   ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-20 14:12                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 15:50                     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 15:50                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 15:56                       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21 15:56                         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21 16:01                         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 16:01                           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 19:43                           ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21 19:43                             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21 20:04                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 20:04                               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 20:08                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21 20:08                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 18:00               ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 18:00                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 18:12                 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 18:12                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-21 19:47                   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21 19:47                     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:04   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:04     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:11     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:11       ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:26       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:26         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:35         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:35           ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 17:46           ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 17:46             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-20  0:14             ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-20  0:14               ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-20 10:21               ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-20 10:21                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21  1:09                 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-21  1:09                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-21  5:05                   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-21  5:05                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 12:38 ` [virtio-comment] RE: [PATCH v6 0/4] admin: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 12:38   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 15:18   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 15:18     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 15:58     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 15:58       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-19 16:28 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-19 16:28   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin

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