From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
tytso@mit.edu, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
ebiggers@kernel.org, jaegeuk@kernel.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
Gabriel Krisman Bertazi <gabriel@krisman.be>
Subject: Re: fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v6 0/9] Support negative dentries on case-insensitive ext4 and f2fs
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 04:53:13 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231129045313.GA1130947@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231127063842.GG38156@ZenIV>
On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 06:38:43AM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
> > FWIW, I suspect that the right answer would be along the lines of
> > * if d_splice_alias() does move an exsiting (attached) alias in
> > place, it ought to dissolve all mountpoints in subtree being moved.
> > There might be subtleties,
Are there ever... Starting with the "our test for loop creation
(alias is a direct ancestor, need to fail with -ELOOP) is dependent
upon rename_lock being held all along".
Folks, what semantics do we want for dissolving mounts on splice?
The situation when it happens is when we have a subtree on e.g. NFS
and have some mounts (on client) inside that. Then somebody on
server moves the root of that subtree somewhere else and we try
to do a lookup in new place. Options:
1) our dentry for directory that got moved on server is moved into
new place, along with the entire subtree *and* everything mounted
on it. Very dubious semantics, especially since if we look the
old location up before looking for new one, the mounts will be
dissolved; no way around that.
2) lookup fails. It's already possible; e.g. if server has
/srv/nfs/1/2/3 moved to /srv/nfs/x, then /srv/nfs/1/2 moved
to /srv/nfs/x/y and client has a process with cwd in /mnt/nfs/1/2/3
doing a lookup for "y", there's no way in hell to handle that -
the lookup will return the fhandle of /srv/nfs/x, which is the
same thing the client has for /mnt/nfs/1/2; we *can't* move that
dentry to /mnt/nfs/1/2/3/y - not without creating a detached loop.
We can also run into -ESTALE if one of the trylocks in
__d_unalias() fails. Having the same happen if there are mounts
in the subtree we are trying to splice would be unpleasant, but
not fatal. The trouble is, that won't be a transient failure -
not until somebody tries to look the old location up.
3) dissolve the mounts. Doable, but it's not easy; especially
since we end up having to redo the loop-prevention check after
the mounts had been dissolved. And that check may be failing
by that time, with no way to undo that dissolving...
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
tytso@mit.edu, Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, ebiggers@kernel.org,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
jaegeuk@kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Gabriel Krisman Bertazi <gabriel@krisman.be>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [PATCH v6 0/9] Support negative dentries on case-insensitive ext4 and f2fs
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 04:53:13 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231129045313.GA1130947@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231127063842.GG38156@ZenIV>
On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 06:38:43AM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
> > FWIW, I suspect that the right answer would be along the lines of
> > * if d_splice_alias() does move an exsiting (attached) alias in
> > place, it ought to dissolve all mountpoints in subtree being moved.
> > There might be subtleties,
Are there ever... Starting with the "our test for loop creation
(alias is a direct ancestor, need to fail with -ELOOP) is dependent
upon rename_lock being held all along".
Folks, what semantics do we want for dissolving mounts on splice?
The situation when it happens is when we have a subtree on e.g. NFS
and have some mounts (on client) inside that. Then somebody on
server moves the root of that subtree somewhere else and we try
to do a lookup in new place. Options:
1) our dentry for directory that got moved on server is moved into
new place, along with the entire subtree *and* everything mounted
on it. Very dubious semantics, especially since if we look the
old location up before looking for new one, the mounts will be
dissolved; no way around that.
2) lookup fails. It's already possible; e.g. if server has
/srv/nfs/1/2/3 moved to /srv/nfs/x, then /srv/nfs/1/2 moved
to /srv/nfs/x/y and client has a process with cwd in /mnt/nfs/1/2/3
doing a lookup for "y", there's no way in hell to handle that -
the lookup will return the fhandle of /srv/nfs/x, which is the
same thing the client has for /mnt/nfs/1/2; we *can't* move that
dentry to /mnt/nfs/1/2/3/y - not without creating a detached loop.
We can also run into -ESTALE if one of the trylocks in
__d_unalias() fails. Having the same happen if there are mounts
in the subtree we are trying to splice would be unpleasant, but
not fatal. The trouble is, that won't be a transient failure -
not until somebody tries to look the old location up.
3) dissolve the mounts. Doable, but it's not easy; especially
since we end up having to redo the loop-prevention check after
the mounts had been dissolved. And that check may be failing
by that time, with no way to undo that dissolving...
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2023-08-16 5:07 [PATCH v6 0/9] Support negative dentries on case-insensitive ext4 and f2fs Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:07 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:07 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] ecryptfs: Reject casefold directory inodes Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:07 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:07 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] 9p: Split ->weak_revalidate from ->revalidate Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:07 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:07 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] fs: Expose name under lookup to d_revalidate hooks Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:07 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-22 20:59 ` Al Viro
2023-11-22 20:59 ` [f2fs-dev] " Al Viro
2023-08-16 5:07 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] fs: Add DCACHE_CASEFOLDED_NAME flag Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:07 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-22 20:32 ` Al Viro
2023-11-22 20:32 ` [f2fs-dev] " Al Viro
2023-08-16 5:07 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] libfs: Validate negative dentries in case-insensitive directories Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:07 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-22 20:20 ` Al Viro
2023-11-22 20:20 ` [f2fs-dev] " Al Viro
2023-08-16 5:08 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] libfs: Chain encryption checks after case-insensitive revalidation Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:08 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:08 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] libfs: Merge encrypted_ci_dentry_ops and ci_dentry_ops Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:08 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:08 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] ext4: Enable negative dentries on case-insensitive lookup Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:08 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:08 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] f2fs: " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16 5:08 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-17 17:06 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Support negative dentries on case-insensitive ext4 and f2fs Eric Biggers
2023-08-17 17:06 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2023-08-21 15:52 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-21 15:52 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christian Brauner
2023-08-21 18:53 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-21 18:53 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-22 9:03 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-22 9:03 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christian Brauner
2023-10-24 22:20 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-10-24 22:20 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-10-25 13:32 ` Christian Brauner
2023-10-25 13:32 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christian Brauner
2023-10-25 15:19 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-10-25 15:19 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-19 23:11 ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-19 23:11 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
[not found] ` <655a9634.630a0220.d50d7.5063SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2023-11-20 15:06 ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-20 15:06 ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-20 16:59 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-20 16:59 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-20 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-20 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-21 2:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-21 2:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-21 2:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-21 2:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-21 3:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-21 3:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-21 5:12 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-21 5:12 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-22 21:04 ` Al Viro
2023-11-22 21:04 ` Al Viro
2023-11-21 2:27 ` Al Viro
2023-11-21 2:27 ` Al Viro
2023-11-22 21:19 ` Al Viro
2023-11-22 21:19 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 0:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-23 0:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-23 5:09 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 5:09 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 15:57 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 15:57 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 17:12 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 17:12 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 17:37 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 17:37 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 18:24 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 18:24 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 19:06 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 19:06 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 19:53 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 19:53 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 20:15 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 20:15 ` Al Viro
2023-11-24 15:20 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-24 15:20 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-28 0:02 ` Al Viro
2023-11-28 0:02 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 21:52 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 21:52 ` Al Viro
2023-11-24 15:22 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-24 15:22 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-25 22:01 ` Al Viro
2023-11-25 22:01 ` Al Viro
2023-11-26 4:52 ` Al Viro
2023-11-26 4:52 ` Al Viro
2023-11-26 18:41 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Al Viro
2023-11-26 18:41 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Al Viro
2023-11-27 6:38 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Al Viro
2023-11-27 6:38 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Al Viro
2023-11-27 15:47 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 15:47 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 16:01 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 16:01 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 17:25 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Al Viro
2023-11-27 17:25 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Al Viro
2023-11-27 18:26 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Al Viro
2023-11-27 18:26 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Al Viro
2023-11-27 16:03 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Al Viro
2023-11-27 16:03 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Al Viro
2023-11-27 16:14 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Al Viro
2023-11-27 16:14 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Al Viro
2023-11-27 18:19 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 18:19 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 18:43 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Al Viro
2023-11-27 18:43 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Al Viro
2023-11-27 16:33 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Christian Brauner
2023-11-27 16:33 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Christian Brauner
2023-11-29 4:53 ` Al Viro [this message]
2023-11-29 4:53 ` Al Viro
2023-11-29 10:21 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Christian Brauner
2023-11-29 10:21 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Christian Brauner
2023-11-29 15:19 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] " Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-29 15:19 ` [f2fs-dev] fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <655f7665.df0a0220.58a21.e84fSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2023-11-23 16:41 ` [f2fs-dev] " Linus Torvalds
2023-11-23 16:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-23 1:12 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 1:12 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 1:22 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 1:22 ` Al Viro
2023-11-22 3:30 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-22 3:30 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2024-01-16 19:02 ` patchwork-bot+f2fs
2024-01-16 19:02 ` patchwork-bot+f2fs
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