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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Bernd Edlinger <bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v14] exec: Fix dead-lock in de_thread with ptrace_attach
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 13:30:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202401221328.5E7A82C32@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AS8P193MB1285FDD902CC57C781AF2770E4752@AS8P193MB1285.EURP193.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 02:24:37PM +0100, Bernd Edlinger wrote:
> The main concern was when a set-suid program is executed by execve.
> Then it makes a difference if the current thread is traced before the
> execve or not.  That means if the current thread is already traced,
> the decision, which credentials will be used is different than otherwise.
> 
> So currently there are two possbilities, either the trace happens
> before the execve, and the suid-bit will be ignored, or the trace
> happens after the execve, but it is checked that the now potentially
> more privileged credentials allow the tracer to proceed.
> 
> With this patch we will have a third prossibility, that is in order
> to avoid the possible dead-lock we allow the suid-bit to take effect,
> but only if the tracer's privileges allow both to attach the current
> credentials and the new credentials.  But I would only do that as
> a last resort, to avoid the possible dead-lock, and not unless a dead-lock
> is really expected to happen.

Instead of doing this special cred check (which I am worried could
become fragile -- I'd prefer all privilege checks happen in the same
place and in the same way...), could we just fail the ptrace_attach of
the execve?

-- 
Kees Cook

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-01-22 21:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-17 12:23 [PATCH v10] exec: Fix dead-lock in de_thread with ptrace_attach Bernd Edlinger
2021-07-11 17:43 ` [PATCH v11] " Bernd Edlinger
2023-10-30  5:20   ` [PATCH v12] " Bernd Edlinger
2023-10-30  9:00     ` kernel test robot
2023-11-06  6:41     ` [PATCH v13] " Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-15 19:22       ` [PATCH v14] " Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-15 19:37         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-17  9:51           ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-16 15:22         ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-01-17 15:07           ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-17 16:38             ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-01-22 13:24               ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-22 13:44                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-01-22 21:30                 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2024-01-23 18:30                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-24  0:09                     ` Kees Cook
2024-01-22 18:31         ` [PATCH v15] " Bernd Edlinger
2025-08-18  6:04           ` Jain, Ayush
2025-08-18 20:53           ` [PATCH v16] " Bernd Edlinger
2025-08-19  4:36             ` Kees Cook
2025-08-19 18:53               ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-08-21 17:34             ` [PATCH v17] " Bernd Edlinger
2025-10-27  6:26               ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-10-27 12:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-02 16:17               ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-05 14:32               ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-11  9:21                 ` Christian Brauner
2025-11-11 11:07                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-11 13:12                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-11 13:45                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-12  9:52                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-17  6:31                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-17 15:01                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-17 20:08                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-23 18:32                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-29 15:06                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-12-01 15:13                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-09 17:14               ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] mt-exec: fix deadlock with ptrace_attach() Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-09 17:14                 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] exec: make setup_new_exec() return int Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-09 17:15                 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] exec: don't wait for zombie threads with cred_guard_mutex held Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-10 10:58                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2025-11-10 15:09                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-10 21:49                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2025-11-11 14:09                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-09 17:16                 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] ptrace: ensure PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT won't stop if the tracee is killed by exec Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-10  5:28                 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] mt-exec: fix deadlock with ptrace_attach() Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-10 14:47                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-18 18:13               ` [PATCH v18] exec: Fix dead-lock in de_thread with ptrace_attach Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-20 15:15                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-20 17:29                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-20 20:57                     ` [RFC][PATCH] exec: Move cred computation under exec_update_lock Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-20 23:50                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-21  2:59                         ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-21  7:18                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-21  9:35                             ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-21 11:26                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-21 19:19                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-21 23:06                                   ` Ryan Lee
2025-11-23 18:52                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-23 23:22                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-25 16:19                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-25 11:55                       ` Roberto Sassu
2025-12-01 16:06                         ` Are setuid shell scripts safe? (Implied by security_bprm_creds_for_exec) Eric W. Biederman
2025-12-01 16:49                           ` Roberto Sassu
2025-12-01 18:53                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-12-01 21:39                               ` David Laight
2025-12-03 13:16                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-12-04  5:49                                 ` Al Viro
2025-12-04  9:32                                   ` David Laight
2025-12-04 13:03                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-12-09 12:28                                     ` Jan Kara
2025-12-04 15:43                           ` Stephen Smalley
2025-11-22 17:10                     ` [PATCH v18] exec: Fix dead-lock in de_thread with ptrace_attach Bernd Edlinger
2025-12-19  8:15                 ` [PATCH v19] " Bernd Edlinger

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