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From: Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 14/26] locking/lockdep, cpu/hotplus: Use a weaker annotation in AP thread
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 13:20:52 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240129042052.GA64402@system.software.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87il3ggfz9.ffs@tglx>

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 06:30:02PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24 2024 at 20:59, Byungchul Park wrote:
> 
> Why is lockdep in the subsystem prefix here? You are changing the CPU
> hotplug (not hotplus) code, right?

I will fix the typo ;( Thank you.

I referred to the commit cb92173d1f047. I will remove the prefix if the
way is more desirable.

> > cb92173d1f0 ("locking/lockdep, cpu/hotplug: Annotate AP thread") was
> > introduced to make lockdep_assert_cpus_held() work in AP thread.
> >
> > However, the annotation is too strong for that purpose. We don't have to
> > use more than try lock annotation for that.
> 
> This lacks a proper explanation why this is too strong.

rwsem_acquire() implies:

   1. might be a waiter on contention of the lock.
   2. enter to the critical section of the lock.

All we need in here is to act 2, not 1. That's why I suggested trylock
version of annotation for that purpose.

Now that dept partially replies on lockdep annotaions for the waiters
and events, dept is interpeting rwsem_acquire() as a potential waiter
and reports a deadlock by the wait.

Of course, the first priority should be not to change the current
behavior. I think the change from non-trylock to trylock for the
annotation won't. Or am I missing something?

	Byungchul

> > Furthermore, now that Dept was introduced, false positive alarms was
> > reported by that. Replaced it with try lock annotation.
> 
> I still have zero idea what this is about.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>         tglx

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: hamohammed.sa@gmail.com, hdanton@sina.com, jack@suse.cz,
	peterz@infradead.org, daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch, amir73il@gmail.com,
	david@fromorbit.com, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	mhocko@kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	adilger.kernel@dilger.ca, chris.p.wilson@intel.com,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, 42.hyeyoo@gmail.com, cl@linux.com,
	will@kernel.org, duyuyang@gmail.com, sashal@kernel.org,
	her0gyugyu@gmail.com, kernel_team@skhynix.com,
	damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com, willy@infradead.org,
	hch@infradead.org, mingo@redhat.com, djwong@kernel.org,
	vdavydov.dev@gmail.com, rientjes@google.com, dennis@kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, ngupta@vflare.org,
	johannes.berg@intel.com, boqun.feng@gmail.com,
	josef@toxicpanda.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	gwan-gyeong.mun@intel.com, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, jglisse@redhat.com,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, longman@redhat.com,
	dan.j.williams@intel.com, vbabka@suse.cz, melissa.srw@gmail.com,
	sj@kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu, rodrigosiqueiramelo@gmail.com,
	kernel-team@lge.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	jlayton@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	penberg@kernel.org, minchan@kernel.org,
	max.byungchul.park@gmail.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org, tj@kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 14/26] locking/lockdep, cpu/hotplus: Use a weaker annotation in AP thread
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 13:20:52 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240129042052.GA64402@system.software.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87il3ggfz9.ffs@tglx>

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 06:30:02PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24 2024 at 20:59, Byungchul Park wrote:
> 
> Why is lockdep in the subsystem prefix here? You are changing the CPU
> hotplug (not hotplus) code, right?

I will fix the typo ;( Thank you.

I referred to the commit cb92173d1f047. I will remove the prefix if the
way is more desirable.

> > cb92173d1f0 ("locking/lockdep, cpu/hotplug: Annotate AP thread") was
> > introduced to make lockdep_assert_cpus_held() work in AP thread.
> >
> > However, the annotation is too strong for that purpose. We don't have to
> > use more than try lock annotation for that.
> 
> This lacks a proper explanation why this is too strong.

rwsem_acquire() implies:

   1. might be a waiter on contention of the lock.
   2. enter to the critical section of the lock.

All we need in here is to act 2, not 1. That's why I suggested trylock
version of annotation for that purpose.

Now that dept partially replies on lockdep annotaions for the waiters
and events, dept is interpeting rwsem_acquire() as a potential waiter
and reports a deadlock by the wait.

Of course, the first priority should be not to change the current
behavior. I think the change from non-trylock to trylock for the
annotation won't. Or am I missing something?

	Byungchul

> > Furthermore, now that Dept was introduced, false positive alarms was
> > reported by that. Replaced it with try lock annotation.
> 
> I still have zero idea what this is about.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>         tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-29  4:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-24 11:59 [PATCH v11 00/26] DEPT(Dependency Tracker) Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 01/26] llist: Move llist_{head,node} definition to types.h Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` [PATCH v11 01/26] llist: Move llist_{head, node} " Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 02/26] dept: Implement Dept(Dependency Tracker) Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 03/26] dept: Add single event dependency tracker APIs Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 04/26] dept: Add lock " Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 05/26] dept: Tie to Lockdep and IRQ tracing Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-28 13:10   ` kernel test robot
2024-01-28 15:58   ` kernel test robot
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 06/26] dept: Add proc knobs to show stats and dependency graph Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 07/26] dept: Apply sdt_might_sleep_{start,end}() to wait_for_completion()/complete() Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` [PATCH v11 07/26] dept: Apply sdt_might_sleep_{start, end}() " Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 08/26] dept: Apply sdt_might_sleep_{start,end}() to swait Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 09/26] dept: Apply sdt_might_sleep_{start,end}() to waitqueue wait Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` [PATCH v11 09/26] dept: Apply sdt_might_sleep_{start, end}() " Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 10/26] dept: Apply sdt_might_sleep_{start,end}() to hashed-waitqueue wait Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` [PATCH v11 10/26] dept: Apply sdt_might_sleep_{start, end}() " Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 11/26] dept: Distinguish each syscall context from another Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 12/26] dept: Distinguish each work " Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 13/26] dept: Add a mechanism to refill the internal memory pools on running out Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 14/26] locking/lockdep, cpu/hotplus: Use a weaker annotation in AP thread Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-26 17:30   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-01-26 17:30     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-01-29  4:20     ` Byungchul Park [this message]
2024-01-29  4:20       ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-30  2:58     ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-30  2:58       ` Byungchul Park
2024-02-12 15:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-13  1:18         ` Byungchul Park
2024-06-04  3:10     ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 15/26] dept: Apply sdt_might_sleep_{start,end}() to dma fence wait Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` [PATCH v11 15/26] dept: Apply sdt_might_sleep_{start, end}() " Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 16/26] dept: Track timeout waits separately with a new Kconfig Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 17/26] dept: Apply timeout consideration to wait_for_completion()/complete() Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 18/26] dept: Apply timeout consideration to swait Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 19/26] dept: Apply timeout consideration to waitqueue wait Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 20/26] dept: Apply timeout consideration to hashed-waitqueue wait Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 21/26] dept: Apply timeout consideration to dma fence wait Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 22/26] dept: Record the latest one out of consecutive waits of the same class Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 23/26] dept: Make Dept able to work with an external wgen Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 24/26] dept: Track PG_locked with dept Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 25/26] dept: Print event context requestor's stacktrace on report Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park
2024-01-28 14:44   ` kernel test robot
2024-01-24 11:59 ` [PATCH v11 26/26] locking/lockdep, fs/jbd2: Use a weaker annotation in journal handling Byungchul Park
2024-01-24 11:59   ` Byungchul Park

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