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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Jiri Olsa <olsajiri@gmail.com>
Cc: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
	Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Borislav Petkov (AMD)" <bp@alien8.de>,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 1/3] uprobe: Add uretprobe syscall to speed up return probe
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 15:56:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240403135650.GA31764@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zg0lvUIB4WdRUGw_@krava>

I leave this to you and Masami, but...

On 04/03, Jiri Olsa wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 10:07:08AM +0900, Masami Hiramatsu wrote:
> >
> > This is interesting approach. But I doubt we need to add additional
> > syscall just for this purpose. Can't we use another syscall or ioctl?
>
> so the plan is to optimize entry uprobe in a similar way and given
> the syscall is not a scarce resource I wanted to add another syscall
> for that one as well
>
> tbh I'm not sure sure which syscall or ioctl to reuse for this, it's
> possible to do that, the trampoline will just have to save one or
> more additional registers, but adding new syscall seems cleaner to me

Agreed.

> > Also, we should run syzkaller on this syscall. And if uretprobe is
>
> right, I'll check on syzkaller

I don't understand this concern...

> > set in the user function, what happen if the user function directly
> > calls this syscall? (maybe it consumes shadow stack?)
>
> the process should receive SIGILL if there's no pending uretprobe for
> the current task,

Yes,

> or it will trigger uretprobe if there's one pending

... and corrupt the caller. So what?

> but we could limit the syscall to be executed just from the trampoline,
> that should prevent all the user space use cases, I'll do that in next
> version and add more tests for that

Yes, we can... well, ignoring the race with mremap() from another thread.

But why should we care?

Userspace should not call sys_uretprobe(). Likewise, it should not call
sys_restart_syscall(). Likewise, it should not jump to xol_area.

Of course, userspace (especially syzkaller) _can_ do this. So what?

I think the only thing we need to ensure is that the "malicious" task
which calls sys_uretprobe() can only harm itself, nothing more.

No?

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-03 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-02  9:32 [PATCHv2 0/3] uprobe: uretprobe speed up Jiri Olsa
2024-04-02  9:33 ` [PATCHv2 1/3] uprobe: Add uretprobe syscall to speed up return probe Jiri Olsa
2024-04-03  1:07   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-03  9:47     ` Jiri Olsa
2024-04-03 13:56       ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2024-04-03 14:09       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-03 14:49         ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-03 16:58         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-04-04  0:58           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-04  2:00             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-04-04 11:58               ` Jiri Olsa
2024-04-04 16:06                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-04 15:54               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-04 16:11                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-05  1:22                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-05  8:56                     ` Jiri Olsa
2024-04-05 11:02                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-06  3:05                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-06 17:55                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-08  3:54                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-08 16:02                         ` Jiri Olsa
2024-04-08 16:22                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-09 12:06                             ` Jiri Olsa
2024-04-09  0:34                           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-09  7:57                             ` Jiri Olsa
2024-04-08  3:16                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-15  8:25   ` Jiri Olsa
2024-04-18 18:34     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-04-02  9:33 ` [PATCHv2 bpf-next 2/3] selftests/bpf: Add uretprobe test for regs integrity Jiri Olsa
2024-04-02  9:33 ` [PATCHv2 bpf-next 3/3] selftests/bpf: Add uretprobe test for regs changes Jiri Olsa

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