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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
Cc: will@kernel.org, robin.murphy@arm.com, kevin.tian@intel.com,
	suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com, joro@8bytes.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, yi.l.liu@intel.com,
	eric.auger@redhat.com, vasant.hegde@amd.com, jon.grimm@amd.com,
	santosh.shukla@amd.com, Dhaval.Giani@amd.com,
	shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFCv1 07/14] iommufd: Add viommu set/unset_dev_id ops
Date: Tue, 21 May 2024 15:24:48 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240521182448.GN20229@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZkQW6/OAQ8MzN6Go@nvidia.com>

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 06:59:07PM -0700, Nicolin Chen wrote:
> So, you want a proxy S1 domain for a device to attach, in case
> of a stage-2 only setup, because an S2 domain will no longer has
> a VMID, since it's shared among viommus. In the SMMU driver case,
> an arm_smmu_domain won't have an smmu pointer, so a device can't
> attach to an S2 domain but always an nested S1 domain, right?

That seems like a simple solution to the VMID lifetime, but it means
the kernel has to decode more types of vSTE.

> > Functionally we could use that global nesting domain
> > to deliver the DEV_INVALIDATE too.
> 
> If my narrative above is correct, the device is actually still
> attached to S2 domain via a proxy nested S1 domain. What cache
> do we need to invalidate except S2 mappings in this case?

qemu needs a reliable place to send the invalidation commands to (ie
what ID to provide).

If we add IOMMU_VIOMMU_INVALIDATE then the ID is the viommu id.

If we enhance IOMMU_HWPT_INVALIDATE then the ID is the identity
nesting domain.

Either case leads to the viommu object in the kernel.

I don't know if there is merit one way or the other. A more specific
API surface is nice, but the two APIs are completely duplicating.

So maybe:

#define IOMMU_VIOMMU_INVALIDATE IOMMU_HWPT_INVALIDATE

As documentation and have the kernel just detect based on the type of
the passed ID?

> > > So again, yes, it makes sense to me that we move viommu and the
> > > set_dev_id to the nested series, and then drop DEV_INVALIDATE.
> > 
> > I would like to do this bit by bit. viommu is a big series on its own.
> > 
> > DEV_INVALIDATE is fine, it just can't do ATS invalidation.
> 
> I am not very sure about AMD.

AMD will need the same vRID -> pRID stuff and we want that to run on
the VIOMMU

> Same question: any other case can we use the DEV_INVALIDATE for?

DEV_INVALIDATE was interesting before the viommu idea because
userspace could process each invalidation command and when it reaches
ATS it would invoke the correct DEV_INVALIDATE.

With viommu we expect ATS supporting drivers to support viommu and
then to do vRID -> pRID in the other invalidation paths. In this case
I don't see a reason to do DEV_INVALIDATE right now.

> > We can add ATS invalidation after either as an enhancement as part of
> > adding the VIOMMU either as DEV_INVALIDATE or VIOMMU_INVALIDATE (or
> > both)
> 
> Yea, maybe step by step like this:
> 
> Part-1 VIOMMU_ALLOC and VIOMMU_ATTACH
> Part-2 VIOMMU_SET/UNSET_VDEV_ID
> Part-3 VIOMMU_INVALIDATE
> Part-4 VQUEUE_ALLOC
> ...

So we have this stuff still open:
 - Identity STE with PASID (part 2b)
 - IOMMU_GET_HW_INFO (part 3)
 - IOMMU_HWPT_ALLOC_NEST_PARENT (part 3)
 - IOMMU_HWPT_DATA_ARM_SMMUV3 (part 3)
 - IOMMU_HWPT_INVALIDATE_DATA_ARM_SMMUV3
 - VIOMMU_ALLOC, VIOMMU_ATTACH
 - VIOMMU_INVALIDATE
 - VIOMMU_SET/UNSET_VDEV_ID
 - VQUEUE_ALLOC / vCMDQ

I feel like IOMMU_HWPT_INVALIDATE_DATA_ARM_SMMUV3 is a reasonable fit
to part 3. Then part 4 would be VIOMMU_ALLOC -> VIOMMU_SET/UNSET_VDEV_ID
which brings ATS support the API. vCMDQ hypervisor support would sit
on top of that with just VQUEUE?

Jason

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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
Cc: will@kernel.org, robin.murphy@arm.com, kevin.tian@intel.com,
	suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com, joro@8bytes.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, yi.l.liu@intel.com,
	eric.auger@redhat.com, vasant.hegde@amd.com, jon.grimm@amd.com,
	santosh.shukla@amd.com, Dhaval.Giani@amd.com,
	shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFCv1 07/14] iommufd: Add viommu set/unset_dev_id ops
Date: Tue, 21 May 2024 15:24:48 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240521182448.GN20229@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZkQW6/OAQ8MzN6Go@nvidia.com>

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 06:59:07PM -0700, Nicolin Chen wrote:
> So, you want a proxy S1 domain for a device to attach, in case
> of a stage-2 only setup, because an S2 domain will no longer has
> a VMID, since it's shared among viommus. In the SMMU driver case,
> an arm_smmu_domain won't have an smmu pointer, so a device can't
> attach to an S2 domain but always an nested S1 domain, right?

That seems like a simple solution to the VMID lifetime, but it means
the kernel has to decode more types of vSTE.

> > Functionally we could use that global nesting domain
> > to deliver the DEV_INVALIDATE too.
> 
> If my narrative above is correct, the device is actually still
> attached to S2 domain via a proxy nested S1 domain. What cache
> do we need to invalidate except S2 mappings in this case?

qemu needs a reliable place to send the invalidation commands to (ie
what ID to provide).

If we add IOMMU_VIOMMU_INVALIDATE then the ID is the viommu id.

If we enhance IOMMU_HWPT_INVALIDATE then the ID is the identity
nesting domain.

Either case leads to the viommu object in the kernel.

I don't know if there is merit one way or the other. A more specific
API surface is nice, but the two APIs are completely duplicating.

So maybe:

#define IOMMU_VIOMMU_INVALIDATE IOMMU_HWPT_INVALIDATE

As documentation and have the kernel just detect based on the type of
the passed ID?

> > > So again, yes, it makes sense to me that we move viommu and the
> > > set_dev_id to the nested series, and then drop DEV_INVALIDATE.
> > 
> > I would like to do this bit by bit. viommu is a big series on its own.
> > 
> > DEV_INVALIDATE is fine, it just can't do ATS invalidation.
> 
> I am not very sure about AMD.

AMD will need the same vRID -> pRID stuff and we want that to run on
the VIOMMU

> Same question: any other case can we use the DEV_INVALIDATE for?

DEV_INVALIDATE was interesting before the viommu idea because
userspace could process each invalidation command and when it reaches
ATS it would invoke the correct DEV_INVALIDATE.

With viommu we expect ATS supporting drivers to support viommu and
then to do vRID -> pRID in the other invalidation paths. In this case
I don't see a reason to do DEV_INVALIDATE right now.

> > We can add ATS invalidation after either as an enhancement as part of
> > adding the VIOMMU either as DEV_INVALIDATE or VIOMMU_INVALIDATE (or
> > both)
> 
> Yea, maybe step by step like this:
> 
> Part-1 VIOMMU_ALLOC and VIOMMU_ATTACH
> Part-2 VIOMMU_SET/UNSET_VDEV_ID
> Part-3 VIOMMU_INVALIDATE
> Part-4 VQUEUE_ALLOC
> ...

So we have this stuff still open:
 - Identity STE with PASID (part 2b)
 - IOMMU_GET_HW_INFO (part 3)
 - IOMMU_HWPT_ALLOC_NEST_PARENT (part 3)
 - IOMMU_HWPT_DATA_ARM_SMMUV3 (part 3)
 - IOMMU_HWPT_INVALIDATE_DATA_ARM_SMMUV3
 - VIOMMU_ALLOC, VIOMMU_ATTACH
 - VIOMMU_INVALIDATE
 - VIOMMU_SET/UNSET_VDEV_ID
 - VQUEUE_ALLOC / vCMDQ

I feel like IOMMU_HWPT_INVALIDATE_DATA_ARM_SMMUV3 is a reasonable fit
to part 3. Then part 4 would be VIOMMU_ALLOC -> VIOMMU_SET/UNSET_VDEV_ID
which brings ATS support the API. vCMDQ hypervisor support would sit
on top of that with just VQUEUE?

Jason

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2024-04-13  3:46 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:46 ` [PATCH RFCv1 01/14] iommufd: Move iommufd_object to public iommufd header Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:46   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 13:21   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 13:21     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 22:40     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 22:40       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13 22:30       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13 22:30         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-13  3:46 ` [PATCH RFCv1 02/14] iommufd: Swap _iommufd_object_alloc and __iommufd_object_alloc Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:46   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 13:26   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 13:26     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  2:29     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13  2:29       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13  3:44       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13  3:44         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13 22:30       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13 22:30         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 03/14] iommufd: Prepare for viommu structures and functions Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 13:42   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 13:42     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  2:35     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13  2:35       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 04/14] iommufd: Add struct iommufd_viommu and iommufd_viommu_ops Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 14:03   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 14:03     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  3:34     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13  3:34       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-14 15:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-14 15:55         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22  8:58         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-22  8:58           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-22  9:57           ` Baolu Lu
2024-05-22  9:57             ` Baolu Lu
2024-05-22 13:39           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22 13:39             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23  1:43             ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  1:43               ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  4:01               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23  4:01                 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23  5:40                 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  5:40                   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23 12:58               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23 12:58                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24  2:16                 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  2:16                   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24 13:03                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24 13:03                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24  2:36                 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  2:36                   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 05/14] iommufd: Add IOMMUFD_OBJ_VIOMMU and IOMMUFD_CMD_VIOMMU_ALLOC Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 14:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 14:27     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  4:33     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13  4:33       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-14 15:38       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-14 15:38         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-15  1:20         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-15  1:20           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-21 18:05           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-21 18:05             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22  0:13             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-22  0:13               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-22 16:46               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22 16:46                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 06/14] iommufd/selftest: Add IOMMU_VIOMMU_ALLOC test coverage Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 07/14] iommufd: Add viommu set/unset_dev_id ops Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 14:46   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 14:46     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  4:39     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13  4:39       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-14 15:53       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-14 15:53         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-15  1:59         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-15  1:59           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-21 18:24           ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2024-05-21 18:24             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-21 22:27             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-21 22:27               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-22 13:59               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22 13:59                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23  6:19             ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  6:19               ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23 15:01               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23 15:01                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24  2:21                 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  2:21                   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  3:26                   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  3:26                     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  5:24                     ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  5:24                       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  5:57                       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  5:57                         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  7:21                         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  7:21                           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24 13:12                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24 13:12                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24 13:05                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24 13:05                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23  5:44       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  5:44         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  6:09         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23  6:09           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23  6:22           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  6:22             ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23 13:33         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23 13:33           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 14:51   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 14:51     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 08/14] iommufd: Add IOMMU_VIOMMU_SET_DEV_ID ioctl Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 14:58   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 14:58     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  5:24     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13  5:24       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-17  5:14     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-17  5:14       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-21 18:30       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-21 18:30         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22  2:15         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-22  2:15           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23  6:42   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  6:42     ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  5:40     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  5:40       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  7:13       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  7:13         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24 13:19         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24 13:19           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-27  1:08           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-27  1:08             ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-28 20:22             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-28 20:22               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-28 20:33               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-28 20:33                 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-29  2:58               ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-29  2:58                 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-29  3:20                 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-29  3:20                   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-30  0:28                   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-30  0:28                     ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-30  0:58                     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-30  0:58                       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-30  3:05                       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-30  3:05                         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-30  4:26                         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-30  4:26                           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-01 21:45                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-01 21:45                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-03  3:25                         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-03  3:25                           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-06 18:24                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-06 18:24                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-06 18:44                             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-06 18:44                               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-07  0:27                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-07  0:27                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-07  0:36                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-06-07  0:36                                   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-06-07 14:49                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-07 14:49                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-07 21:19                                     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-07 21:19                                       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-10 12:04                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-10 12:04                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-10 20:01                                         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-10 20:01                                           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-10 22:01                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-10 22:01                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-10 23:04                                             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-10 23:04                                               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-11  0:28                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-11  0:28                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-11  0:44                                                 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-11  0:44                                                   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-06-11 12:17                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-11 12:17                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-11 19:11                                                     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-28 20:30             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-28 20:30               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24 13:20       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-24 13:20         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 09/14] iommufd/selftest: Add IOMMU_VIOMMU_SET_DEV_ID test coverage Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 10/14] iommufd/selftest: Add IOMMU_TEST_OP_MV_CHECK_DEV_ID Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 11/14] iommufd: Add struct iommufd_vqueue and its related viommu ops Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 12/14] iommufd: Add IOMMUFD_OBJ_VQUEUE and IOMMUFD_CMD_VQUEUE_ALLOC Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 15:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 15:02     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  4:41     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13  4:41       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13 22:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13 22:36         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23  6:57     ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  6:57       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  4:42       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  4:42         ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  5:26         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  5:26           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-24  6:03           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-24  6:03             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23  7:05   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  7:05     ` Tian, Kevin
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 13/14] iommufd: Add mmap infrastructure Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-12 15:19   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-12 15:19     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-13  4:43     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-13  4:43       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47 ` [PATCH RFCv1 14/14] iommu/tegra241-cmdqv: Add user-space use support Nicolin Chen
2024-04-13  3:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-22  8:40 ` [PATCH RFCv1 00/14] Add Tegra241 (Grace) CMDQV Support (part 2/2) Tian, Kevin
2024-05-22  8:40   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-22 16:48   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22 16:48     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22 19:47     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-22 19:47       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-22 23:28       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22 23:28         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-22 23:43         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-22 23:43           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-05-23  3:09           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23  3:09             ` Nicolin Chen
2024-05-23 12:48             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-23 12:48               ` Jason Gunthorpe

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