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From: Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org>
To: Alexandre Ghiti <alexghiti@rivosinc.com>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>, Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] riscv: Implement cmpxchg32/64() using Zacas
Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 16:34:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240528-repaint-graffiti-ec4f0e038e5a@spud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240528151052.313031-2-alexghiti@rivosinc.com>

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On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 05:10:46PM +0200, Alexandre Ghiti wrote:
> This adds runtime support for Zacas in cmpxchg operations.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Alexandre Ghiti <alexghiti@rivosinc.com>
> ---
>  arch/riscv/Kconfig               | 17 +++++++++++++++++
>  arch/riscv/Makefile              | 11 +++++++++++
>  arch/riscv/include/asm/cmpxchg.h | 23 ++++++++++++++++++++---
>  3 files changed, 48 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/arch/riscv/Kconfig b/arch/riscv/Kconfig
> index 8a0f403432e8..b443def70139 100644
> --- a/arch/riscv/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/riscv/Kconfig
> @@ -579,6 +579,23 @@ config RISCV_ISA_V_PREEMPTIVE
>  	  preemption. Enabling this config will result in higher memory
>  	  consumption due to the allocation of per-task's kernel Vector context.
>  
> +config TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZACAS
> +	bool
> +	default y
> +	depends on !64BIT || $(cc-option,-mabi=lp64 -march=rv64ima_zacas)
> +	depends on !32BIT || $(cc-option,-mabi=ilp32 -march=rv32ima_zacas)
> +	depends on AS_HAS_OPTION_ARCH
> +
> +config RISCV_ISA_ZACAS
> +	bool "Zacas extension support for atomic CAS"
> +	depends on TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZACAS
> +	default y
> +	help
> +	  Adds support to use atomic CAS instead of LR/SC to implement kernel
> +	  atomic cmpxchg operation.

If you were a person compiling a kernel, would you be able to read this
and realise that this is safe to enable when their system does not
support atomic CAS? Please take a look at other how other extensions
handle this, or the patch that I have been sending that tries to make
things clearer:
https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-riscv/patch/20240528-varnish-status-9c22973093a0@spud/

> +
> +	  If you don't know what to do here, say Y.
> +
>  config TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZBB
>  	bool
>  	default y
> diff --git a/arch/riscv/Makefile b/arch/riscv/Makefile
> index 5b3115a19852..d5b60b87998c 100644
> --- a/arch/riscv/Makefile
> +++ b/arch/riscv/Makefile
> @@ -78,6 +78,17 @@ endif
>  # Check if the toolchain supports Zihintpause extension
>  riscv-march-$(CONFIG_TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZIHINTPAUSE) := $(riscv-march-y)_zihintpause
>  
> +# Check if the toolchain supports Zacas
> +ifdef CONFIG_AS_IS_LLVM
> +# Support for experimental Zacas was merged in LLVM 17, but the removal of
> +# the "experimental" was merged in LLVM 19.
> +KBUILD_CFLAGS += -menable-experimental-extensions
> +KBUILD_AFLAGS += -menable-experimental-extensions
> +riscv-march-y := $(riscv-march-y)_zacas1p0
> +else
> +riscv-march-$(CONFIG_TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZACAS) := $(riscv-march-y)_zacas
> +endif

I'm almost certain that we discussed this before for vector and it was
decided to not enable experimental extensions (particularly as it is a
global option), and instead require the non-experimental versions.
This isn't even consistent with your TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZACAS checks, that
will only enable the option for the ratified version. I think we should
continue to avoid enabling experimental extensions, even if that imposes
a requirement of having a bleeding edge toolchain to actually use the
extension.

Thanks,
Conor.

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From: Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org>
To: Alexandre Ghiti <alexghiti@rivosinc.com>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>, Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] riscv: Implement cmpxchg32/64() using Zacas
Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 16:34:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240528-repaint-graffiti-ec4f0e038e5a@spud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240528151052.313031-2-alexghiti@rivosinc.com>


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On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 05:10:46PM +0200, Alexandre Ghiti wrote:
> This adds runtime support for Zacas in cmpxchg operations.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Alexandre Ghiti <alexghiti@rivosinc.com>
> ---
>  arch/riscv/Kconfig               | 17 +++++++++++++++++
>  arch/riscv/Makefile              | 11 +++++++++++
>  arch/riscv/include/asm/cmpxchg.h | 23 ++++++++++++++++++++---
>  3 files changed, 48 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/arch/riscv/Kconfig b/arch/riscv/Kconfig
> index 8a0f403432e8..b443def70139 100644
> --- a/arch/riscv/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/riscv/Kconfig
> @@ -579,6 +579,23 @@ config RISCV_ISA_V_PREEMPTIVE
>  	  preemption. Enabling this config will result in higher memory
>  	  consumption due to the allocation of per-task's kernel Vector context.
>  
> +config TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZACAS
> +	bool
> +	default y
> +	depends on !64BIT || $(cc-option,-mabi=lp64 -march=rv64ima_zacas)
> +	depends on !32BIT || $(cc-option,-mabi=ilp32 -march=rv32ima_zacas)
> +	depends on AS_HAS_OPTION_ARCH
> +
> +config RISCV_ISA_ZACAS
> +	bool "Zacas extension support for atomic CAS"
> +	depends on TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZACAS
> +	default y
> +	help
> +	  Adds support to use atomic CAS instead of LR/SC to implement kernel
> +	  atomic cmpxchg operation.

If you were a person compiling a kernel, would you be able to read this
and realise that this is safe to enable when their system does not
support atomic CAS? Please take a look at other how other extensions
handle this, or the patch that I have been sending that tries to make
things clearer:
https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-riscv/patch/20240528-varnish-status-9c22973093a0@spud/

> +
> +	  If you don't know what to do here, say Y.
> +
>  config TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZBB
>  	bool
>  	default y
> diff --git a/arch/riscv/Makefile b/arch/riscv/Makefile
> index 5b3115a19852..d5b60b87998c 100644
> --- a/arch/riscv/Makefile
> +++ b/arch/riscv/Makefile
> @@ -78,6 +78,17 @@ endif
>  # Check if the toolchain supports Zihintpause extension
>  riscv-march-$(CONFIG_TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZIHINTPAUSE) := $(riscv-march-y)_zihintpause
>  
> +# Check if the toolchain supports Zacas
> +ifdef CONFIG_AS_IS_LLVM
> +# Support for experimental Zacas was merged in LLVM 17, but the removal of
> +# the "experimental" was merged in LLVM 19.
> +KBUILD_CFLAGS += -menable-experimental-extensions
> +KBUILD_AFLAGS += -menable-experimental-extensions
> +riscv-march-y := $(riscv-march-y)_zacas1p0
> +else
> +riscv-march-$(CONFIG_TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZACAS) := $(riscv-march-y)_zacas
> +endif

I'm almost certain that we discussed this before for vector and it was
decided to not enable experimental extensions (particularly as it is a
global option), and instead require the non-experimental versions.
This isn't even consistent with your TOOLCHAIN_HAS_ZACAS checks, that
will only enable the option for the ratified version. I think we should
continue to avoid enabling experimental extensions, even if that imposes
a requirement of having a bleeding edge toolchain to actually use the
extension.

Thanks,
Conor.

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-28 15:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-28 15:10 [PATCH 0/7] Zacas/Zabha support and qspinlocks Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10 ` [PATCH 1/7] riscv: Implement cmpxchg32/64() using Zacas Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:34   ` Conor Dooley [this message]
2024-05-28 15:34     ` Conor Dooley
2024-05-29 12:20     ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-29 12:20       ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-30 14:43       ` Conor Dooley
2024-05-30 14:43         ` Conor Dooley
2024-05-28 18:16   ` Andrea Parri
2024-05-28 18:16     ` Andrea Parri
2024-05-28 15:10 ` [PATCH 2/7] riscv: Implement cmpxchg8/16() using Zabha Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 19:31   ` Nathan Chancellor
2024-05-28 19:31     ` Nathan Chancellor
2024-05-29 12:49     ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-29 12:49       ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-29 15:57       ` Nathan Chancellor
2024-05-29 15:57         ` Nathan Chancellor
2024-06-03 15:31         ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-06-03 15:31           ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 23:54   ` Andrea Parri
2024-05-28 23:54     ` Andrea Parri
2024-05-29 12:29     ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-29 12:29       ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-29 12:55       ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-29 12:55         ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10 ` [PATCH 3/7] riscv: Implement arch_cmpxchg128() using Zacas Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10 ` [PATCH 4/7] riscv: Implement xchg8/16() using Zabha Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:22   ` Conor Dooley
2024-05-28 15:22     ` Conor Dooley
2024-05-29  6:15     ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-29  6:15       ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 18:00   ` Andrea Parri
2024-05-28 18:00     ` Andrea Parri
2024-05-29  8:04     ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-29  8:04       ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10 ` [PATCH 5/7] asm-generic: ticket-lock: Reuse arch_spinlock_t of qspinlock Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10 ` [PATCH 6/7] asm-generic: ticket-lock: Add separate ticket-lock.h Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10 ` [PATCH 7/7] riscv: Add qspinlock support based on Zabha extension Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-28 15:10   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-29  0:55   ` Andrea Parri
2024-05-29  0:55     ` Andrea Parri
2024-05-31 13:37     ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-31 13:37       ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-31 15:52       ` Andrea Parri
2024-05-31 15:52         ` Andrea Parri
2024-06-01  6:18         ` Guo Ren
2024-06-01  6:18           ` Guo Ren
2024-06-03  0:41           ` Andrea Parri
2024-06-03  0:41             ` Andrea Parri
2024-05-29  9:23   ` Guo Ren
2024-05-29  9:23     ` Guo Ren
2024-05-29 13:03     ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-29 13:03       ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-30  1:54       ` Guo Ren
2024-05-30  1:54         ` Guo Ren
2024-05-30  5:30         ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-30  5:30           ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-31  1:57           ` Guo Ren
2024-05-31  1:57             ` Guo Ren
2024-05-31  6:22             ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-31  6:22               ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-05-31  6:42               ` Guo Ren
2024-05-31  6:42                 ` Guo Ren
2024-06-03  9:21                 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-06-03  9:21                   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-06-03 11:11                   ` Guo Ren
2024-06-03 11:11                     ` Guo Ren
2024-05-31 13:10       ` Guo Ren
2024-05-31 13:10         ` Guo Ren
2024-06-03  9:49         ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-06-03  9:49           ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-06-03 11:28           ` Guo Ren
2024-06-03 11:28             ` Guo Ren
2024-06-03 11:34             ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-06-03 11:34               ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-06-03 11:44               ` Guo Ren
2024-06-03 11:44                 ` Guo Ren
2024-06-03 11:49                 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-06-03 11:49                   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-06-03 11:57                   ` Guo Ren
2024-06-03 11:57                     ` Guo Ren

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