From: Masami Hiramatsu (Google) <mhiramat@kernel.org>
To: Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
"Masami Hiramatsu (Google)" <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
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Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] hung_task: Show the blocker task if the task is hung on mutex
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 11:59:04 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250220115904.051e0cc55a9cb88302582ef4@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9f9150b4-1cf5-4380-b431-419f70775a7d@redhat.com>
On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:15:08 -0500
Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/19/25 8:41 PM, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 20:36:13 -0500
> > Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>>> this field, we don't need to take lock, though taking the wait_lock may
> >>>>>> still be needed to examine other information inside the mutex.
> >>> Do we need to take it just for accessing owner, which is in an atomic?
> >> Right. I forgot it is an atomic_long_t. In that case, no lock should be
> >> needed.
> > Now if we have a two fields to read:
> >
> > block_flags (for the type of lock) and blocked_on (for the lock)
> >
> > We need a way to synchronize the two. What happens if we read the type, and
> > the task wakes up and and then blocks on a different type of lock?
> >
> > Then the lock read from blocked_on could be a different type of lock than
> > what is expected.
>
> That is different from reading the owner. In this case, we need to use
> smp_rmb()/wmb() to sequence the read and write operations unless it is
> guaranteed that they are in the same cacheline. One possible way is as
> follows:
>
> Writer - setting them:
>
> WRITE_ONCE(lock)
> smp_wmb()
> WRITE_ONCE(type)
>
> Clearing them:
>
> WRITE_ONCE(type, 0)
> smp_wmb()
> WRITE_ONCE(lock, NULL)
>
> Reader:
>
> READ_ONCE(type)
> again:
> smp_rmb()
> READ_ONCE(lock)
> smp_rmb()
> if (READ_ONCE(type) != type)
> goto again
What about mutex-rwsem-mutex case?
mutex_lock(&lock1);
down_read(&lock2);
mutex_lock(&lock3);
The worst scenario is;
WRITE_ONCE(lock, &lock1)
smp_wmb()
WRITE_ONCE(type, MUTEX) READ_ONCE(type) -> MUTEX
WRITE_ONCE(type, 0)
smp_wmb()
WRITE_ONCE(lock, NULL)
WRITE_ONCE(lock, &lock2) READ_ONCE(lock) -> &lock2
smp_wmb()
WRITE_ONCE(type, RWSEM)
WRITE_ONCE(type, 0)
smp_wmb()
WRITE_ONCE(lock, NULL)
WRITE_ONCE(lock, &lock3)
smp_wmb()
WRITE_ONCE(type, MUTEX) READ_ONCE(type) -> MUTEX == MUTEX
WRITE_ONCE(type, 0)
smp_wmb()
WRITE_ONCE(lock, NULL)
"OK, lock2 is a MUTEX!"
So unless stopping the blocker task, we can not ensure this works.
But unless decode the lock, we don't know the blocker task.
Maybe we can run the hung_task in stop_machine()?
(or introduce common_lock)
Thank you,
--
Masami Hiramatsu (Google) <mhiramat@kernel.org>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-20 2:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-19 13:00 [PATCH 0/2] hung_task: Dump the blocking task stacktrace Masami Hiramatsu (Google)
2025-02-19 13:00 ` [PATCH 1/2] hung_task: Show the blocker task if the task is hung on mutex Masami Hiramatsu (Google)
2025-02-19 16:23 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 20:18 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-19 20:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 22:44 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-19 22:56 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-19 23:55 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20 1:52 ` Lance Yang
2025-02-20 2:07 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20 2:21 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 2:23 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20 1:36 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 1:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20 2:15 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 2:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20 3:29 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 2:59 ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2025-02-20 3:37 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 9:29 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20 13:28 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 2:40 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20 3:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20 13:13 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 16:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 23:09 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-19 23:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20 2:08 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20 2:25 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 1:40 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 2:45 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-20 4:19 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-20 3:46 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-20 3:49 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 9:25 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-19 13:00 ` [PATCH 2/2] samples: Add hung_task detector mutex blocking sample Masami Hiramatsu (Google)
2025-02-19 13:33 ` [PATCH 0/2] hung_task: Dump the blocking task stacktrace Lance Yang
2025-02-19 15:02 ` Lance Yang
2025-02-19 20:20 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 1:27 ` Lance Yang
2025-02-20 14:18 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20 14:22 ` Waiman Long
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