From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Maxime MERE <maxime.mere@foss.st.com>
Cc: linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fscrypt: don't use hardware offload Crypto API drivers
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 07:42:39 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250613144239.GA1287@sol> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8f4c2f36-71af-4c84-bcee-2554cea991d0@foss.st.com>
On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 11:01:03AM +0200, Maxime MERE wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On 6/11/25 22:58, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > To protect users from these buggy and seemingly unhelpful drivers that I
> > have no way of testing, let's make fscrypt not use them. Unfortunately
> > there is no direct support for doing so in the Crypto API, but we can
> > achieve something very close to it by disallowing algorithms that have
> > ASYNC, ALLOCATES_MEMORY, or KERN_DRIVER_ONLY set.
>
> I agree that software drivers are more efficient and less prone to bugs than
> hardware drivers. However, I would like to highlight the fact that certain
> ST products (the STM32MP2x series) have features that allow the loading of a
> secret key via an internal bus from a Secure OS to the CRYP peripheral
> (usable by the kernel). This enables cryptographic operations to be
> delegated to the non-secure side (the kernel) without exposing the key.
>
> If fscrypt no longer supports hardware drivers, then this type of
> functionality could not be used, which I find unfortunate because it is
> something that might interest users.
What? fscrypt doesn't support that anyway, and there isn't any path forward to
supporting it in a way that would actually improve security. (Considering how
fscrypt's key derivation etc. works.)
fscrypt does support hardware wrapped *inline encryption* keys, which is
actually designed properly and does work.
Honestly, the responses to this thread so far have made it even more clear that
this patch is the right decision.
- Eric
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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Maxime MERE <maxime.mere@foss.st.com>
Cc: linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fscrypt: don't use hardware offload Crypto API drivers
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 07:42:39 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250613144239.GA1287@sol> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8f4c2f36-71af-4c84-bcee-2554cea991d0@foss.st.com>
On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 11:01:03AM +0200, Maxime MERE wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On 6/11/25 22:58, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > To protect users from these buggy and seemingly unhelpful drivers that I
> > have no way of testing, let's make fscrypt not use them. Unfortunately
> > there is no direct support for doing so in the Crypto API, but we can
> > achieve something very close to it by disallowing algorithms that have
> > ASYNC, ALLOCATES_MEMORY, or KERN_DRIVER_ONLY set.
>
> I agree that software drivers are more efficient and less prone to bugs than
> hardware drivers. However, I would like to highlight the fact that certain
> ST products (the STM32MP2x series) have features that allow the loading of a
> secret key via an internal bus from a Secure OS to the CRYP peripheral
> (usable by the kernel). This enables cryptographic operations to be
> delegated to the non-secure side (the kernel) without exposing the key.
>
> If fscrypt no longer supports hardware drivers, then this type of
> functionality could not be used, which I find unfortunate because it is
> something that might interest users.
What? fscrypt doesn't support that anyway, and there isn't any path forward to
supporting it in a way that would actually improve security. (Considering how
fscrypt's key derivation etc. works.)
fscrypt does support hardware wrapped *inline encryption* keys, which is
actually designed properly and does work.
Honestly, the responses to this thread so far have made it even more clear that
this patch is the right decision.
- Eric
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Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-11 20:58 [PATCH] fscrypt: don't use hardware offload Crypto API drivers Eric Biggers
2025-06-11 20:58 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-11 20:58 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-12 0:21 ` Simon Richter
2025-06-12 0:21 ` Simon Richter
2025-06-12 0:21 ` [f2fs-dev] " Simon Richter
2025-06-12 0:59 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12 0:59 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12 0:59 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-12 6:25 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12 6:25 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12 6:25 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-12 8:50 ` Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-12 8:50 ` Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-12 8:50 ` [f2fs-dev] " Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-12 15:57 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12 15:57 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12 15:57 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-13 1:23 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-13 1:23 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-13 1:23 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-13 11:10 ` Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-13 11:10 ` Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-13 11:10 ` [f2fs-dev] " Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-25 6:32 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 6:32 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 6:32 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-25 12:44 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-06-25 12:44 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-06-25 12:44 ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Ts'o
2025-06-25 18:38 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 18:38 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 18:38 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-25 16:29 ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 16:29 ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 16:29 ` [f2fs-dev] " Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 19:17 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 19:17 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 19:17 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-13 9:01 ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-13 9:01 ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-13 9:01 ` [f2fs-dev] " Maxime MERE
2025-06-13 14:42 ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2025-06-13 14:42 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 16:29 ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 16:29 ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 16:29 ` [f2fs-dev] " Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 18:57 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 18:57 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 18:57 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-26 2:36 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-26 2:36 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-26 2:36 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
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