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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Simon Richter <Simon.Richter@hogyros.de>,
	linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fscrypt: don't use hardware offload Crypto API drivers
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 11:38:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250625183831.GA1703@sol> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250625124445.GC28249@mit.edu>

On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 08:44:45AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 11:32:52PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > 
> > That was the synchronous throughput.  However, submitting multiple requests
> > asynchronously (which again, fscrypt doesn't actually do) barely helps.
> > Apparently the STM32 crypto engine has only one hardware queue.
> > 
> > I already strongly suspected that these non-inline crypto engines
> > aren't worth using.  But I didn't realize they are quite this bad.
> > Even with AES on a Cortex-A7 CPU that lacks AES instructions, the
> > CPU is much faster!
> 
> I wonder if the primary design goal of the STM32 crypto engine is that
> it might reduce power consumption --- after all, one of the primary
> benchmarketing metrics that vendors care about is "hours of You Tube
> watch time" --- and decryptoing a video stream doesn't require high
> performance.
> 
> Given that the typical benchmarketing number which handset vendors
> tend to care about is SQLite transactions per second, maybe they
> wouldn't be all that eager to use the crypto engine.  :-)
> 

My STM32MP157F-DK2 board (with screen removed) is pulling 1.5W regardless of
whether it's running the benchmark with the STM32 crypto engine or with the NEON
bit-sliced code.  However, the NEON bit-sliced code finishes 5 times faster.

- Eric

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From: Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel <linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	Simon Richter <Simon.Richter@hogyros.de>,
	ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH] fscrypt: don't use hardware offload Crypto API drivers
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 11:38:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250625183831.GA1703@sol> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250625124445.GC28249@mit.edu>

On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 08:44:45AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 11:32:52PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > 
> > That was the synchronous throughput.  However, submitting multiple requests
> > asynchronously (which again, fscrypt doesn't actually do) barely helps.
> > Apparently the STM32 crypto engine has only one hardware queue.
> > 
> > I already strongly suspected that these non-inline crypto engines
> > aren't worth using.  But I didn't realize they are quite this bad.
> > Even with AES on a Cortex-A7 CPU that lacks AES instructions, the
> > CPU is much faster!
> 
> I wonder if the primary design goal of the STM32 crypto engine is that
> it might reduce power consumption --- after all, one of the primary
> benchmarketing metrics that vendors care about is "hours of You Tube
> watch time" --- and decryptoing a video stream doesn't require high
> performance.
> 
> Given that the typical benchmarketing number which handset vendors
> tend to care about is SQLite transactions per second, maybe they
> wouldn't be all that eager to use the crypto engine.  :-)
> 

My STM32MP157F-DK2 board (with screen removed) is pulling 1.5W regardless of
whether it's running the benchmark with the STM32 crypto engine or with the NEON
bit-sliced code.  However, the NEON bit-sliced code finishes 5 times faster.

- Eric


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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Simon Richter <Simon.Richter@hogyros.de>,
	linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fscrypt: don't use hardware offload Crypto API drivers
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 11:38:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250625183831.GA1703@sol> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250625124445.GC28249@mit.edu>

On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 08:44:45AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 11:32:52PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > 
> > That was the synchronous throughput.  However, submitting multiple requests
> > asynchronously (which again, fscrypt doesn't actually do) barely helps.
> > Apparently the STM32 crypto engine has only one hardware queue.
> > 
> > I already strongly suspected that these non-inline crypto engines
> > aren't worth using.  But I didn't realize they are quite this bad.
> > Even with AES on a Cortex-A7 CPU that lacks AES instructions, the
> > CPU is much faster!
> 
> I wonder if the primary design goal of the STM32 crypto engine is that
> it might reduce power consumption --- after all, one of the primary
> benchmarketing metrics that vendors care about is "hours of You Tube
> watch time" --- and decryptoing a video stream doesn't require high
> performance.
> 
> Given that the typical benchmarketing number which handset vendors
> tend to care about is SQLite transactions per second, maybe they
> wouldn't be all that eager to use the crypto engine.  :-)
> 

My STM32MP157F-DK2 board (with screen removed) is pulling 1.5W regardless of
whether it's running the benchmark with the STM32 crypto engine or with the NEON
bit-sliced code.  However, the NEON bit-sliced code finishes 5 times faster.

- Eric

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-25 18:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-11 20:58 [PATCH] fscrypt: don't use hardware offload Crypto API drivers Eric Biggers
2025-06-11 20:58 ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-11 20:58 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-12  0:21 ` Simon Richter
2025-06-12  0:21   ` Simon Richter
2025-06-12  0:21   ` [f2fs-dev] " Simon Richter
2025-06-12  0:59   ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12  0:59     ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12  0:59     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-12  6:25     ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12  6:25       ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12  6:25       ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-12  8:50       ` Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-12  8:50         ` Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-12  8:50         ` [f2fs-dev] " Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-12 15:57         ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12 15:57           ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-12 15:57           ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-13  1:23           ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-13  1:23             ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-13  1:23             ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-13 11:10             ` Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-13 11:10               ` Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-13 11:10               ` [f2fs-dev] " Giovanni Cabiddu
2025-06-25  6:32       ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25  6:32         ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25  6:32         ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-25 12:44         ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-06-25 12:44           ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-06-25 12:44           ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Ts'o
2025-06-25 18:38           ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2025-06-25 18:38             ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 18:38             ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-25 16:29         ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 16:29           ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 16:29           ` [f2fs-dev] " Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 19:17           ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 19:17             ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 19:17             ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-13  9:01 ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-13  9:01   ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-13  9:01   ` [f2fs-dev] " Maxime MERE
2025-06-13 14:42   ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-13 14:42     ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 16:29     ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 16:29       ` Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 16:29       ` [f2fs-dev] " Maxime MERE
2025-06-25 18:57       ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 18:57         ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-25 18:57         ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-06-26  2:36       ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-26  2:36         ` Eric Biggers
2025-06-26  2:36         ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel

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