From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>
To: Philipp Stanner <phasta@mailbox.org>
Cc: phasta@kernel.org, "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"David Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
"Simona Vetter" <simona@ffwll.ch>,
"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>, "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
"Joel Fernandes" <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/4] rust: sync: Add dma_fence abstractions
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2026 15:58:43 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260209155843.725dcfe1@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bb57b6837aa8044e679dad5f2589c2e0ba84c221.camel@mailbox.org>
On Mon, 09 Feb 2026 09:19:46 +0100
Philipp Stanner <phasta@mailbox.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2026-02-06 at 11:23 +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > On Thu Feb 5, 2026 at 9:57 AM CET, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> > > On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 09:14:01 +0100
> > > Philipp Stanner <phasta@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, I don't know how to translate that in rust, but we
> > > need a way to check if any path code path does a DmaFence.signal(),
> > > go back to the entry point (for a WorkItem, that would be
> > > WorkItem::run() for instance), and make it a DmaFenceSignallingPath.
> > > Not only that, but we need to know all the deps that make it so
> > > this path can be called (if I take the WorkItem example, that would
> > > be the path that leads to the WorkItem being scheduled).
> >
> > I think we need a guard object for this that is not Send, just like for any
> > other lock.
> >
> > Internally, those markers rely on lockdep, i.e. they just acquire and release a
> > "fake" lock.
>
> The guard object would be created through fence.begin_signalling(), wouldn't it?
It shouldn't be a (&self)-method, because at the start of a DMA
signaling path, you don't necessarily know which fence you're going to
signal (you might actually signal several of them).
> And when it drops you call dma_fence_end_signalling()?
Yep, dma_fence_end_signalling() should be called when the guard is
dropped.
>
> How would that ensure that the driver actually marks the signalling region correctly?
Nothing, and that's a problem we have in C: you have no way of telling
which code section is going to be a DMA-signaling path. I can't think
of any way to make that safer in rust, unfortunately. The best I can
think of would be to
- Have a special DmaFenceSignalWorkItem (wrapper a WorkItem with extra
constraints) that's designed for DMA-fence signaling, and that takes
the DmaSignaling guard around the ::run() call.
- We would then need to ensure that any code path scheduling this work
item is also in a DMA-signaling path by taking a ref to the
DmaSignalingGuard. This of course doesn't guarantee that the section
is wide enough to prevent any non-authorized operations in any path
leading to this WorkItem scheduling, but it would at least force the
caller to consider the problem.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-09 14:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-03 8:13 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add dma_fence abstractions and DRM Jobqueue Philipp Stanner
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] rust: list: Add unsafe for container_of Philipp Stanner
2026-02-03 15:25 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-04 10:30 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] rust: sync: Add dma_fence abstractions Philipp Stanner
2026-02-05 8:57 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-06 10:23 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-09 8:19 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-09 14:58 ` Boris Brezillon [this message]
2026-02-10 8:16 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 8:38 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 9:06 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-10 9:54 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 9:15 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 10:15 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 10:36 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-10 10:46 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 11:40 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 12:28 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 9:57 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 10:08 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 10:28 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 10:20 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 11:00 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 11:12 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 14:38 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 15:00 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:05 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 15:14 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:16 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-13 17:27 ` Matthew Brost
2026-02-10 10:46 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 11:34 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 11:45 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 12:21 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:34 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 12:36 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:15 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 13:26 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:49 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 13:56 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 14:00 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-10 14:06 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 15:32 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-10 15:50 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 15:07 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 15:45 ` Christian König
2026-02-11 8:16 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-17 14:03 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-17 14:09 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 14:22 ` Christian König
2026-02-17 14:28 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-17 14:44 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-13 23:20 ` Matthew Brost
2026-02-17 15:01 ` Christian König
2026-02-18 9:50 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 10:48 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 12:49 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 12:56 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:26 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 13:51 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 14:11 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 14:50 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 8:16 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 9:20 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 9:26 ` Christian König
2026-02-05 10:16 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-05 13:16 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-06 9:32 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-06 10:16 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-06 13:24 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-06 11:04 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-09 8:21 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-06 11:23 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-05 12:35 ` kernel test robot
2026-02-09 11:30 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] rust/drm: Add DRM Jobqueue Philipp Stanner
2026-02-05 13:58 ` kernel test robot
2026-02-10 14:57 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 10:47 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 11:07 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 11:19 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 12:10 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 12:32 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 12:51 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 11:19 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 11:59 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 12:14 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 12:24 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 12:22 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 12:44 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 12:52 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 13:53 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 15:28 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 12:45 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 13:45 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-11 14:07 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:17 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 15:20 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 15:51 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:53 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 15:54 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 15:33 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] samples: rust: Add jobqueue tester Philipp Stanner
2026-02-03 16:46 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add dma_fence abstractions and DRM Jobqueue Daniel Almeida
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