From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: phasta@kernel.org
Cc: "Boris Brezillon" <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>,
"David Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
"Simona Vetter" <simona@ffwll.ch>,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>, "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
"Joel Fernandes" <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/4] rust/drm: Add DRM Jobqueue
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2026 12:22:03 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aYx0a-2eANbM_vnd@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f3d2e3b370bed55cc2a95287b3c257f878b5e92b.camel@mailbox.org>
On Wed, Feb 11, 2026 at 12:19:56PM +0100, Philipp Stanner wrote:
> On Wed, 2026-02-11 at 12:07 +0100, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:47:27 +0100
> > Philipp Stanner <phasta@mailbox.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2026-02-10 at 15:57 +0100, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 09:14:02 +0100
> > > > Philipp Stanner <phasta@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +/// A jobqueue Job.
> > > > > +///
> > > > > +/// You can stuff your data in it. The job will be borrowed back to your driver
> > > > > +/// once the time has come to run it.
> > > > > +///
> > > > > +/// Jobs are consumed by [`Jobqueue::submit_job`] by value (ownership transfer).
> > > > > +/// You can set multiple [`DmaFence`] as dependencies for a job. It will only
> > > > > +/// get run once all dependency fences have been signaled.
> > > > > +///
> > > > > +/// Jobs cost credits. Jobs will only be run if there are is enough capacity in
> > > > > +/// the jobqueue for the job's credits. It is legal to specify jobs costing 0
> > > > > +/// credits, effectively disabling that mechanism.
> > > > > +#[pin_data]
> > > > > +pub struct Job<T: 'static + Send> {
> > > > > + cost: u32,
> > > > > + #[pin]
> > > > > + pub data: T,
> > > > > + done_fence: Option<ARef<DmaFence<i32>>>,
> > > > > + hardware_fence: Option<ARef<DmaFence<i32>>>,
> > > > > + nr_of_deps: AtomicU32,
> > > > > + dependencies: List<Dependency>,
> > > >
> > > > Given how tricky Lists are in rust, I'd recommend going for an XArray,
> > > > like we have on the C side. There's a bit of overhead when the job only
> > > > has a few deps, but I think simplicity beats memory-usage-optimizations
> > > > in that case (especially since the overhead exists and is accepted in
> > > > C).
> > >
> > > I mean, the list is now already implemented and works. Considering the
> > > XArray would have made sense during the development difficulties.
> >
> > I'm sure it does, but that's still more code/tricks to maintain than
> > what you'd have with the XArray abstraction.
>
> The solution than will rather be to make the linked list implementation
> better.
>
> A list is the correct data structure in a huge number of use cases in
> the kernel. We should not begin here to defer to other structures
> because of convenience.
Rust vs C aside, linked lists are often used in the kernel despite not
being the best choice. They are extremely cache unfriendly and
inefficient; most of the time a vector or xarray is far faster if you
can accept an ENOMEM failure path when adding elements. I have heard
several times from C maintainers that overuse of list is making the
kernel slow in a death from a thousand cuts situation.
This applies to the red/black tree too, by the way.
Alice
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-11 12:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-03 8:13 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add dma_fence abstractions and DRM Jobqueue Philipp Stanner
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] rust: list: Add unsafe for container_of Philipp Stanner
2026-02-03 15:25 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-04 10:30 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] rust: sync: Add dma_fence abstractions Philipp Stanner
2026-02-05 8:57 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-06 10:23 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-09 8:19 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-09 14:58 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 8:16 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 8:38 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 9:06 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-10 9:54 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 9:15 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 10:15 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 10:36 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-10 10:46 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 11:40 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 12:28 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 9:57 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 10:08 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 10:28 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 10:20 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 11:00 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 11:12 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 14:38 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 15:00 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:05 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 15:14 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:16 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-13 17:27 ` Matthew Brost
2026-02-10 10:46 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 11:34 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 11:45 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 12:21 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:34 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 12:36 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:15 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 13:26 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:49 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 13:56 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 14:00 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-10 14:06 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 15:32 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-10 15:50 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 15:07 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 15:45 ` Christian König
2026-02-11 8:16 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-17 14:03 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-17 14:09 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 14:22 ` Christian König
2026-02-17 14:28 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-17 14:44 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-13 23:20 ` Matthew Brost
2026-02-17 15:01 ` Christian König
2026-02-18 9:50 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 10:48 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 12:49 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 12:56 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:26 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 13:51 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 14:11 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 14:50 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 8:16 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 9:20 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 9:26 ` Christian König
2026-02-05 10:16 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-05 13:16 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-06 9:32 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-06 10:16 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-06 13:24 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-06 11:04 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-09 8:21 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-06 11:23 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-05 12:35 ` kernel test robot
2026-02-09 11:30 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] rust/drm: Add DRM Jobqueue Philipp Stanner
2026-02-05 13:58 ` kernel test robot
2026-02-10 14:57 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 10:47 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 11:07 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 11:19 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 12:10 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 12:32 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 12:51 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 11:19 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 11:59 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 12:14 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 12:24 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 12:22 ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2026-02-11 12:44 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 12:52 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 13:53 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 15:28 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 12:45 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 13:45 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-11 14:07 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:17 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 15:20 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 15:51 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:53 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 15:54 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 15:33 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] samples: rust: Add jobqueue tester Philipp Stanner
2026-02-03 16:46 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add dma_fence abstractions and DRM Jobqueue Daniel Almeida
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