From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: "Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>, "Gavin Shan" <gshan@redhat.com>,
"Pavel Hrdina" <phrdina@redhat.com>,
"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-arm@nongnu.org, jugraham@redhat.com,
shan.gavin@gmail.com, "Alex Williamson" <alex@shazbot.org>,
"David Hildenbrand" <david@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFCv1] virtio: Inherit max bounce buffer size from bus parent if possible
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2026 12:19:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260610121846-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA8HhC-=KwdbNE5jgqdP+H1VF1aJXdGaME8KsaDHhnBG9Q@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Jun 10, 2026 at 05:11:40PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 at 16:37, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2026 at 10:06:24AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > This is the change that broke it I think?
> > >
> > >
> > > commit 4a2e242bbb306ef5c16ce9e7bb2da3bd8a4eb098
> > > Author: Alex Williamson <alex@shazbot.org>
> > > Date: Mon Oct 31 09:53:03 2016 -0600
> > >
> > > memory: Don't use memcpy for ram_device regions
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe Alex has an opinion on what to do.
> >
> > I can offer one idea here..
> >
> > IIUC the major issue was vector ops but the mr ops might be too heavy, then
> > another way to fix it is in memory API instead of using memcpy()/memmove(),
> > we always use a helper (say, memmove_no_vector()) to do the split and
> > properly aligned IOs as what ram_device_mem_ops does right now, this should
> > only applies to ram_device.
>
> If the underlying memory needs to be accessed only with specific
> alignment/size, as the 4a2e242bbb30 commit message suggests, then
> we cannot expose it via address_space_map(), so we must have
> a bounce-buffer.
Right. And virtio currently isn't friendly to the bounce buffer.
We can fix that but I worry about the perf impact.
> The address_space_map() function says
> "here's a host pointer to memory, do what you like to it", and
> the caller is entitled to memcpy to/from it or otherwise
> access it with any C operations, which are not guaranteed to
> respect any kind of alignment or similar restrictions.
>
> My guess from commit 4a2e242bbb30 is that that applied an
> overly broad "don't do direct access" hammer to all
> vfio assigned devices, and that there needs to be some
> concept of "this vfio assigned device's region is OK for
> direct access" vs "this other one is not", such that if
> this GH100 card's BAR guarantees it can be treated entirely
> as RAM then we can have memory_region_supports_direct_access()
> return true for it.
>
> thanks
> -- PMM
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-10 16:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-08 0:18 [PATCH RFCv1] virtio: Inherit max bounce buffer size from bus parent if possible Gavin Shan
2026-06-08 8:55 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-08 11:11 ` Gavin Shan
2026-06-08 11:38 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-09 2:08 ` Gavin Shan
2026-06-09 16:25 ` Peter Xu
2026-06-10 0:32 ` Gavin Shan
2026-06-10 9:54 ` Pavel Hrdina
2026-06-10 10:55 ` Gavin Shan
2026-06-10 12:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-10 12:19 ` Gavin Shan
2026-06-10 12:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-10 13:00 ` Gavin Shan
2026-06-10 13:54 ` Gavin Shan
2026-06-10 14:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-10 15:36 ` Peter Xu
2026-06-10 16:11 ` Peter Maydell
2026-06-10 16:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2026-06-10 16:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-10 12:23 ` Pavel Hrdina
2026-06-10 14:04 ` Gavin Shan
2026-06-10 14:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-10 9:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-10 18:30 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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