From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/17] PCI: Replace untrusted state with device trust
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2026 10:03:52 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261105140352.GF3889730@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261105131856.GA8298@unreal>
On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 03:18:56PM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 08:12:51AM -0500, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 01:42:30PM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > From: Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>
> > >
> > > Convert the PCI specific untrusted to use the common device trust
> > > level. Adversarial means the same thing untrusted does.
> >
> > What about for USB? Will that "move" to use this common trust level?
> > If not, I don't think it's very "common" :)
>
> It supposed to work for all buses out-of-the box, at least this is the
> intention.
You mean DISABLED/FULL should work with this patch series on USB
right? Meaning the core code will not bind a USB driver when DISABLED?
I was wondering if some of the broader things we are doing on PCIe
also apply to USB, like device authentication. I don't know alot about
USB, but I got AI to help me find some relavent spec information.
https://usb.org/authentication
This looks like the parallel to PCIe SPDM device authentication. I
would expect it to work broadly the same way as PCIe if anyone wanted
to implement it:
1) USB discovery discovers authentication support and creates an
attestation subsystem device for it
2) The struct device starts up with trust = DISABLED
3) Userspace runs the crypto flow through attestation subsystem. This
is extremely similar looking to PCIe SPDM:
1. GET_DIGESTS -> device returns a hash for each certificate chain
slot it has.
2. GET_CERTIFICATE -> device returns its certificate chain, read
in pieces.
3. CHALLENGE (nonce) -> device returns CHALLENGE_AUTH: the chain
hash, a salt, a hash of its descriptors, and a signature over the
challenge and the response.
4) Userspace inspects the above and approves the device
5) trust = FULL, driver is probed.
But I supposed Greg is asking about /sys/bus/usb/devices/DEVICE/authorized ..
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-11-05 14:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-11-05 11:42 [PATCH 00/17] driver core: Authorize device trust before driver binding Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 01/17] Input: gameport - attach manual drivers through the driver core Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 17:05 ` driver core: Authorize device trust before driver binding bluez.test.bot
2026-11-06 11:43 ` [PATCH 01/17] Input: gameport - attach manual drivers through the driver core sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 02/17] Input: serio " Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 17:05 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-11-05 19:19 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 20:34 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-11-06 14:33 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 03/17] net: phy: Attach generic PHY " Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 14:50 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-05 18:35 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 15:33 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-05 18:45 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 04/17] wifi: mac80211_hwsim: lock device for manual driver binding Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 05/17] USB: Lock registered interfaces during " Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 17:24 ` Alan Stern
2026-11-05 18:44 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 20:04 ` Alan Stern
2026-11-08 11:09 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-08 16:59 ` Alan Stern
2026-11-09 9:23 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 06/17] PNP: Attach card devices through the driver core Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 07/17] cdx: Propagate DMA configuration errors Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 08/17] driver core: Allow userspace to detect EPROBE_DEFER when using sysfs drivers_probe Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 09/17] driver core: Introduce a generic device trust level Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 10/17] driver core: Expose device trust authorization through sysfs Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:10 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 13:27 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 13:59 ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 14:03 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 14:17 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 14:26 ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 15:45 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 14:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 14:43 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-05 14:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 15:09 ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 13:42 ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 17:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 19:06 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 11/17] driver core: Accept device trust policy on the kernel command line Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 12/17] driver core: Accept device trust policy by driver name Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 13/17] driver core: Preserve trust commitment beyond driver binding Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 14/17] driver core: Add a global initial device trust policy Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 15/17] driver core: Cover trust authorization and binding with KUnit Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 16/17] driver core: Document trust admission and initrd authorization Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 17/17] PCI: Replace untrusted state with device trust Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:12 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 13:18 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:26 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 14:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-11-05 15:43 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 16:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 18:26 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-06 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
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