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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: "James A. Sutherland" <jas88@cam.ac.uk>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>,
	Dan Hollis <goemon@anime.net>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>,
	Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 15:34:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <23007.973524894@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00110615242102.01541@dax.joh.cam.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <00110615242102.01541@dax.joh.cam.ac.uk>  <00110613370501.01541@dax.joh.cam.ac.uk> <29788.973511264@redhat.com> <10109.973518003@redhat.com>


jas88@cam.ac.uk said:
>  Irrelevant. The current mixer settings don't matter: what matters is
> that the driver does not change them.

It does matter. The sound driver needs to be able to _read_ the current 
levels. Almost all mixer programs will start by doing this, to set the 
slider to the correct place.

> > The driver needs to reset the card to the desired levels. 

> What desired levels? The only desired levels are the current ones,
> which the driver does not and (sometimes) cannot know. Leave well
> alone.

It does not know them. Correct. But with persistent module storage, it 
_could_ know them. It cannot know them the _first_ time the module is 
loaded after booting. That's fine. On subsequent loads, it can and 
should DTRT.

--
dwmw2


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-11-06 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-03 15:09 Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page (Updated as of 2.4.0-test10) tytso
2000-11-03 15:53 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-03 16:55   ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-03 19:03     ` kuznet
2000-11-03 21:03   ` David Ford
2000-11-03 21:10     ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-03 21:51       ` David Ford
2000-11-04  1:27         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-04  0:14       ` Alan Cox
2000-11-04  1:24         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-04  2:37         ` David Ford
2000-11-07 20:21       ` tytso
2000-11-07 19:23         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-03 21:37   ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 19:28     ` Paul Gortmaker
2000-11-07 20:17   ` tytso
2000-11-07 19:21     ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-03 16:09 ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-11-03 18:36 ` loop device hangs Christian van Enckevort
2000-11-03 22:20 ` Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page (Updated as of 2.4.0-test10) Jeff Garzik
2000-11-04  2:32   ` David Ford
2000-11-07 20:40     ` tytso
2000-11-04 13:12   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-11-07 20:36   ` tytso
2000-11-04  1:10 ` James Simmons
2000-11-04  1:38   ` Keith Owens
2000-11-11 22:47   ` tytso
2000-11-04 10:43 ` Keith Owens
2000-11-04 20:34   ` Russell King
2000-11-05 23:15   ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06  0:47     ` Keith Owens
2000-11-06  0:54       ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06  1:28         ` Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page] Keith Owens
2000-11-06  6:39           ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06  7:12           ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-06  7:17             ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06  7:25               ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06  7:29                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 10:53                 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 11:03                   ` Dan Hollis
2000-11-06 11:04                     ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 11:35                       ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 11:36                         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 11:06                     ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 11:09                       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 11:20                       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 11:37                       ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 11:40                         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 11:47                         ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 11:57                           ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 12:03                             ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 13:12                           ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 13:38                             ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 13:56                             ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 13:21                           ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 13:35                           ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 17:12                             ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 17:38                               ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 18:39                               ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-06 21:28                                 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 18:55                             ` Dan Hollis
2000-11-07  0:18                               ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07  0:27                                 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-07  0:38                                   ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07 12:07                                     ` Alan Cox
2000-11-07 12:13                                       ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07 12:35                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-11-07 12:49                                           ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07 12:52                                             ` Alan Cox
2000-11-07 12:51                                           ` Petko Manolov
2000-11-06 13:40                           ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 15:23                             ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 15:34                             ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2000-11-06 16:31                               ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 17:06                                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 17:25                                   ` Alon Ziv
2000-11-06 17:34                                     ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 19:49                                       ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-06 21:34                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 17:25                                   ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 19:27                                     ` Tim Riker
2000-11-06 21:33                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 23:57                                   ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 17:23                                 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-08 14:56                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2000-11-06 18:00                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2000-11-06 17:29                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 16:42                               ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 16:57                                 ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 17:01                                   ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 23:54                                     ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-07  8:44                                       ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 17:12                                   ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 17:45                                     ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 18:37                                     ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-07  0:04                                     ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 17:08                               ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 17:33                                 ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 23:28                                   ` Gerhard Mack
2000-11-07  0:34                                     ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07  0:42                                       ` Gerhard Mack
2000-11-07  0:43                                         ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07  1:20                                           ` Gerhard Mack
2000-11-07  8:41                                             ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07  1:44                                       ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 17:44                                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 17:53                                   ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 20:46                                     ` Evan Jeffrey
2000-11-07  0:23                                       ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 15:15                         ` Martin Dalecki
2000-11-06 17:19                           ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 17:34                             ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 18:22                               ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-06 18:37                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 19:09                                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-07  0:32                                     ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 21:19                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 18:22                         ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-06 21:18                           ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 23:00                             ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-07  2:11                               ` Keith Owens
2000-11-06  7:28               ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-06  7:32                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06  7:45                   ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06  8:00                     ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 13:44                       ` Andrew Pimlott
2000-11-06  7:48                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-06  8:02                     ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 18:09                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-11-06 21:17                         ` Alan Cox
2000-11-07  9:55                           ` Helge Hafting
2000-11-07  2:09                         ` Keith Owens
     [not found] <3A06A053.56F09ACB@mandrakesoft.com>
2000-11-06 12:29 ` Keith Owens
2000-11-06 17:07   ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 18:09     ` Martin Dalecki
2000-11-06 17:30       ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 17:05 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 18:30   ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-06 21:12   ` Martin Mares
2000-11-07  1:17     ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-07  9:59       ` Martin Mares
2000-11-07 10:59     ` Martin Dalecki
2000-11-07 12:27       ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-11-06 22:48 Wayne.Brown
2000-11-07  7:55 David Feuer

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