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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Crispin Cowan <crispin@crispincowan.com>
Cc: Simon Arlott <simon@fire.lp0.eu>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>,
	Thomas Fricaccia <thomas_fricacci@yahoo.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Giacomo Catenazzi <cate@debian.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:29:43 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <252801.14025.qm@web36605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0710242232260.17781@fbirervta.pbzchgretzou.qr>



I have written Smack.
I need an LSM infrastructure.
I would prefer the old dynamic version.
I no trouble with the static version.

I think that a dynamic version is more useful, but I didn't want
what I'm doing to have it as a dependency, so I made sure that
it isn't. The debate about the inclusion of Smack can remain
blissfully separate from the dynamic/static LSM debate. This is
by design.

I have had a couple people suggest changes to Smack that would be
very elegently handled as stacked modules. These include "owned"
ports and additional uid restrictions. Since Smack is a MAC module
these other security features are not really appropriate to include
(if you want the Security Monolith there is SELinux) in it, but
certainly make sense to combine with it.

A stacker that does not require module participation could be quite
interesting. In the old day I felt that a security solution had to
include all aspects of control, but today I see the value provided
by independent mechanisms such as IPtables.



Casey Schaufler
casey@schaufler-ca.com

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-24 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <167451.96128.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
2007-10-18  2:18 ` LSM conversion to static interface Linus Torvalds
2007-10-19 20:26   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-10-19 20:40     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-20 11:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-20 22:57         ` James Morris
2007-10-21 22:59           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-23  4:09           ` LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch] Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-23  4:56             ` James Morris
2007-10-23  4:57               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-23  5:16             ` Chris Wright
2007-10-23  9:10               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  9:13                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-23  9:14                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24  0:31               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-24  0:32                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-24  5:06                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-24 11:50                   ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 12:55                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 18:11                       ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 18:51                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 18:59                           ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 19:04                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:02                               ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-24 21:37                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-24 21:51                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 22:02                                     ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-24 23:13                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-25  1:50                                   ` david
2007-10-25  3:50                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-10-24 21:42                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:58                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 22:04                                   ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-25 11:38                                 ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 20:18                           ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-24 20:46                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:29                               ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2007-10-24 22:31                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 22:58                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 23:32                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 23:42                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25  0:41                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-25  2:19                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-30  3:37                                   ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-25  1:03                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-25  0:23                             ` Chris Wright
2007-10-25  0:35                               ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25  1:26                                 ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-25  1:41                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-25  2:11                                   ` david
2007-10-25 18:17                                   ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25 22:21                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-26  3:45                                       ` david
2007-10-26  5:44                                         ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-27 18:29                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-28 18:48                                       ` Hua Zhong
2007-10-28 19:05                                       ` Hua Zhong
2007-10-28 22:08                                   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-28 22:50                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-11-26 20:42                                       ` serge
2007-10-28 23:55                                     ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-29  5:12                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25  9:19                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-10-25 16:04                                   ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25 17:10                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-30  9:41                                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-10-25  1:42                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-27 18:22                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-28 19:42                                   ` Linux Security *Module* Framework Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 20:46                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  3:23                                 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-30  8:40                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  8:50                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-30  9:27                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  9:21                                     ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-25 11:44                           ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-25 23:09                           ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-26  2:56                             ` Greg KH
2007-10-26  7:09                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-26 15:54                                 ` Greg KH
2007-10-26  9:46                               ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-26 15:58                                 ` Greg KH
2007-10-26 16:32                                   ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-27 14:07                                   ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: Linux Security *Module* Framework) Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28  1:21                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-26 23:26                                 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Adrian Bunk
2007-10-27 14:47                                   ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: : Linux Security *Module* Framework) Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-27 17:31                                     ` eradicating out of tree modules Stefan Richter
2007-10-28  0:55                                     ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: : Linux Security *Module* Framework) Adrian Bunk
2007-10-28  9:25                                       ` eradicating out of tree modules Stefan Richter
2007-10-28 12:01                                         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 14:37                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-28 14:59                                             ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-28 16:55                                             ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 18:51                                       ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 19:25                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-30  0:29                                           ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-30 13:11                                             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-30 13:19                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2007-10-30 15:30                                               ` Greg KH
2007-10-29 23:51                               ` Out-of-tree modules [was: Linux Security *Module* Framework] Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  0:46                                 ` Lee Revell
2007-10-30  1:19                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-27 14:08                     ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface Tetsuo Handa
2007-11-05  6:42                       ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-23  9:13           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  5:44         ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-23  8:55           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  9:14             ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-10-23  9:18               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:20             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-23 15:28               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:34                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-25 10:23                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-19 21:07     ` James Morris
2007-10-22  1:12   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-29 10:01 Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Rob Meijer
2007-10-29 10:24 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-29 13:32   ` Peter Dolding
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-29 19:04 Rob Meijer
2007-10-29 19:41 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-30  5:13   ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-30 18:42     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30 19:14       ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-30 19:50         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30 23:38       ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-31  0:16         ` david
2007-10-31  2:21           ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-31  3:43             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-31  5:08             ` david
2007-10-31  6:43             ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-31  9:03               ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-31 10:10               ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-11-01  2:04                 ` Peter Dolding
2007-11-01  2:20                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-11-01  2:51                     ` Peter Dolding
2007-11-01  7:17                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-01 11:49                         ` David Newall
2007-11-04  1:28                           ` Peter Dolding
2007-11-05  6:56                       ` Andrew Morgan
2007-11-05 13:29                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-29 20:27 ` Casey Schaufler

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