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From: "KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki" <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: "KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki" <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp" <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] memcg: change for softlimit.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:12:26 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <25afd2b84c65e7c2c8f2edde31c914f7.squirrel@webmail-b.css.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090828150829.GR4889@balbir.in.ibm.com>

Balbir Singh wrote:
> * KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> [2009-08-29
> 00:06:23]:
>
>> Balbir Singh wrote:
>> > * KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> [2009-08-28
>> > 23:40:56]:
>> >
>> >> KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
>> >> > Balbir Singh wrote:
>> >> >> But Bob and Mike might need to set soft limits between themselves.
>> if
>> >> >> soft limit of gold is 1G and bob needs to be close to 750M and
>> mike
>> >> >> 250M, how do we do it without supporting what we have today?
>> >> >>
>> >> > Don't use hierarchy or don't use softlimit.
>> >> > (I never think fine-grain  soft limit can be useful.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyway, I have to modify unnecessary hacks for res_counter of
>> >> softlimit.
>> >> > plz allow modification. that's bad.
>> >> > I postpone RB-tree breakage problem, plz explain it or fix it by
>> >> yourself.
>> >> >
>> >> I changed my mind....per-zone RB-tree is also broken ;)
>> >>
>> >> Why I don't like broken system is a function which a user can't
>> >> know/calculate how-it-works is of no use in mission critical systems.
>> >>
>> >> I'd like to think how-to-fix it with better algorithm. Maybe RB-tree
>> >> is not a choice.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Soft limits are not meant for mission critical work :-) Soft limits is
>> > best effort and not a guaranteed resource allocation mechanism. I've
>> > mentioned in previous emails how we recover if we find the data is
>> > stale
>> >
>> yes. but can you explain how selection will be done to users ?
>> I can't.
>>
>
> From a user point, we get what we set, but the timelines can be a
> little longer.
>
I'll drop this patch, anyway. But will modify res_counter.
We have to reduce ops under lock after we see spinlock can explode
system time.

Thanks,
-Kame


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From: "KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki" <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp" <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] memcg: change for softlimit.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:12:26 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <25afd2b84c65e7c2c8f2edde31c914f7.squirrel@webmail-b.css.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090828150829.GR4889@balbir.in.ibm.com>

Balbir Singh wrote:
> * KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> [2009-08-29
> 00:06:23]:
>
>> Balbir Singh wrote:
>> > * KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> [2009-08-28
>> > 23:40:56]:
>> >
>> >> KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
>> >> > Balbir Singh wrote:
>> >> >> But Bob and Mike might need to set soft limits between themselves.
>> if
>> >> >> soft limit of gold is 1G and bob needs to be close to 750M and
>> mike
>> >> >> 250M, how do we do it without supporting what we have today?
>> >> >>
>> >> > Don't use hierarchy or don't use softlimit.
>> >> > (I never think fine-grain  soft limit can be useful.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyway, I have to modify unnecessary hacks for res_counter of
>> >> softlimit.
>> >> > plz allow modification. that's bad.
>> >> > I postpone RB-tree breakage problem, plz explain it or fix it by
>> >> yourself.
>> >> >
>> >> I changed my mind....per-zone RB-tree is also broken ;)
>> >>
>> >> Why I don't like broken system is a function which a user can't
>> >> know/calculate how-it-works is of no use in mission critical systems.
>> >>
>> >> I'd like to think how-to-fix it with better algorithm. Maybe RB-tree
>> >> is not a choice.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Soft limits are not meant for mission critical work :-) Soft limits is
>> > best effort and not a guaranteed resource allocation mechanism. I've
>> > mentioned in previous emails how we recover if we find the data is
>> > stale
>> >
>> yes. but can you explain how selection will be done to users ?
>> I can't.
>>
>
> From a user point, we get what we set, but the timelines can be a
> little longer.
>
I'll drop this patch, anyway. But will modify res_counter.
We have to reduce ops under lock after we see spinlock can explode
system time.

Thanks,
-Kame

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-28 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-28  4:20 [RFC][PATCH 0/5] memcg: reduce lock conetion KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:20 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:23 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/5] memcg: change for softlimit KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:23   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  7:20   ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28  7:20     ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28  7:35     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  7:35       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 13:26       ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 13:26         ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 14:29         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 14:29           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 14:40           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 14:40             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 14:46             ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 15:06               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 15:06                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 15:08                 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 15:08                   ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 15:12                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2009-08-28 15:12                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 15:15                     ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 15:15                       ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 14:45           ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 14:45             ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 14:58             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 14:58               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 15:07               ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 15:07                 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28  4:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/5] memcg: uncharge in batched manner KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:24   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:53   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:53     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:55     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:55       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 15:10   ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 15:10     ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 15:21     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 15:21       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28 16:03       ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28 16:03         ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 11:02   ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 11:02     ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 11:59     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-31 11:59       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-31 12:10       ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 12:14         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-31 12:14           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-31 12:23           ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 14:36             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-31 14:36               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:25 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/5] memcg: unmap, truncate, invalidate uncharege in batch KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:25   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-31 11:02   ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 11:02     ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28  4:27 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/5] memcg: per-cpu charge stock KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:27   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-31 11:10   ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 11:10     ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 12:07     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-31 12:07       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:28 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/5] memcg: drain per cpu stock KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:28   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-31 11:11   ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 11:11     ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 12:09     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-31 12:09       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:28 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/5] memcg: reduce lock conetion Balbir Singh
2009-08-28  4:28   ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-28  4:33   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-28  4:33     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki

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