From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
"Erik A. Hendriks" <hendriks@lanl.gov>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] x86 ELF bootable kernels/Linux booting Linux/LinuxBIOS
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 08:26:28 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C5EB634.7080902@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3C58B078.3070803@zytor.com> <m1vgdjb0x0.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> <3C58CAE0.4040102@zytor.com> <20020131103516.I26855@lanl.gov> <m1elk6t7no.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> <3C59DB56.2070004@zytor.com> <m1r8o5a80f.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> <3C5A5F25.3090101@zytor.com> <m1hep19pje.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> <3C5ADDD1.6000608@zytor.com> <20020204134927.A5079@almesberger.net>
Werner Almesberger wrote:
[...lots of good stuff...]
>
> Worse yet, the file-based interface kind of conveys the promise that
> the preloader is actually not necessary. This creates an incentive to
> keep things that way, so more and more policy will have to be added
> to the kernel, simply because externalizing it would shatter that
> cute "loader-less" image.
>
[...]
>
> So, while a file-based interface looks cool, I think a "thin"
> memory-based interface will serve us better in the long run.
>
I agree with this sentiment. As far as the filebased interface implying
it is self-contained/loaderless, we can just look at this thread as well
as Linux history -- the boot sector in a Linux kernel is basically
useless and doesn't even work on a lot of hardware today, yet people are
still refusing to deprecate it "because it's so convenient"...
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-02-04 16:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-01-30 19:54 [RFC] x86 ELF bootable kernels/Linux booting Linux/LinuxBIOS Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-30 21:19 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-30 23:52 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 2:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-31 2:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-31 4:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-31 4:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-31 5:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-31 5:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <m1n0yvaucy.fsf@frodo.biederman.org>
2002-01-31 17:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-31 22:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-31 22:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-01 7:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-31 17:35 ` Erik A. Hendriks
2002-01-31 23:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-01 0:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-01 9:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-01 9:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-01 15:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-01 18:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-02 16:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-02 21:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-02 23:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-03 1:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-03 18:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-03 19:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-03 22:18 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-03 22:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-03 22:59 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-03 23:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-03 23:47 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-04 1:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-04 9:53 ` Marco Colombo
2002-02-04 16:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-04 19:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-04 20:51 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-04 20:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-03 19:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-04 20:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-04 4:29 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-04 20:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-04 12:49 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-02-04 16:26 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2002-02-04 19:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-04 21:02 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-02-04 21:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-05 7:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-01 0:46 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 3:03 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-01 7:22 ` Greg KH
2002-01-30 21:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-31 2:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
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