[parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.

[parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.

[David Dougall]

I am quite please with my B132 running 0.9.3.  I am having a slight
difficulty.  How do I get a web browser?  I was going to try to get
mozilla compiled, but it was complaining that I don't have "zip"
installed.  First of all, where is "zip"?  What package is it in?  I tried
apt-get install zip and it returned an error.  Has anyone else gotten
mozilla to work on parisc-linux?  Is there another browser that would be
better?  If so, please advise(or a binary download wouldn't hurt).
Thanks
--David Dougall


PS: is there any hope of a jre on parisc-linux?

Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.

[Christian Suder]

David,

since rcently you can get the mozilla package with a simple "apt-get install
mozilla", so there is no need to go through the excercise of compiling it
yourself (and it takes several hours on older HW - been there). However it
still doesn't run, as far as I know because the threads are still far from
perfect in palinux. There's a couple of other applications suffering from
this too.

For now I use "dillo" on the parisc machines.

    Christian


David Dougall wrote:

> I am quite please with my B132 running 0.9.3.  I am having a slight
> difficulty.  How do I get a web browser?  I was going to try to get
> mozilla compiled, but it was complaining that I don't have "zip"
> installed.  First of all, where is "zip"?  What package is it in?  I tried
> apt-get install zip and it returned an error.  Has anyone else gotten
> mozilla to work on parisc-linux?  Is there another browser that would be
> better?  If so, please advise(or a binary download wouldn't hurt).
> Thanks
> --David Dougall
>
> PS: is there any hope of a jre on parisc-linux?
>
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Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.

[Thomas Bogendoerfer]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:44:59PM -0800, Christian Suder wrote:
> since rcently you can get the mozilla package with a simple "apt-get install
> mozilla", so there is no need to go through the excercise of compiling it
> yourself (and it takes several hours on older HW - been there). However it
> still doesn't run, as far as I know because the threads are still far from

to get it running, you need to recompile it with -O optimizing level. The
default -O2 miscompiles mozilla. Ok, this will give you a more sane mozilla,
but it's still not accepting some of the mouse/keyboard events. No idea
why. But there is galeon, which uses mozillas rendering engine, which (also
compiled with -O) gives me a working web browser.

Thomas.

Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.

[Tilo Jandt]

>to get it running, you need to recompile it with -O optimizing level.

how do you recompile it?

>But there is galeon, which uses mozillas rendering engine, which (also
>compiled with -O) gives me a working web browser.

since the upgrade to mozilla 0.9.9 i can't use galeon any more.

cya,
Tilo

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Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.

[Thomas Bogendoerfer]

On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:13:56PM +0100, Tilo Jandt wrote:
> 
> 
> >to get it running, you need to recompile it with -O optimizing level.
> 
> how do you recompile it?

apt-get source mozilla
cd mozilla-0.9.9
vi debian/rules
dpkg-buildpackage -b
/* wait some hours */

> >But there is galeon, which uses mozillas rendering engine, which (also
> >compiled with -O) gives me a working web browser.
> 
> since the upgrade to mozilla 0.9.9 i can't use galeon any more.

I've placed the .debs, which I'm using to:

http://gsyprf11.external.hp.com/~tsbogend

Thomas.

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Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.

[Christian Suder]

Thanks Thomas,

that helped quite a bit. I used an older mozilla tree which I had and 
compiled it with -O and it worked with skipstone. I'm now using your 
binaries (saved a couple of hours...;-) with a recent skipstone and it 
works pretty well on a local X display.

It has some issues running remotely (window not always redrawn, hangs 
sometimes). Galeon doesn't want to run at all on a remote display, a couple 
of tasks are spawning but nothing on the screen. This seems to be a generic 
issue with appearantly mostly GTK+ applications. Pan and sylpheed are two 
other apps that don't want to run remotely although they do work on a local 
display.

         Christian


At 11:59 PM 3/28/2002 +0100, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote:
>On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:13:56PM +0100, Tilo Jandt wrote:
> >
> >
> > >to get it running, you need to recompile it with -O optimizing level.
> >
> > how do you recompile it?
>
>apt-get source mozilla
>cd mozilla-0.9.9
>vi debian/rules
>dpkg-buildpackage -b
>/* wait some hours */
>
> > >But there is galeon, which uses mozillas rendering engine, which (also
> > >compiled with -O) gives me a working web browser.
> >
> > since the upgrade to mozilla 0.9.9 i can't use galeon any more.
>
>I've placed the .debs, which I'm using to:
>
>http://gsyprf11.external.hp.com/~tsbogend
>
>Thomas.
>
>--
>Crap can work. Given enough thrust pigs will fly, but it's not necessary a
>good idea.                                 [ Alexander Viro on linux-kernel ]

Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.

[Tilo Jandt]

Hi,

>First of all, where is "zip"?  What package is it in?

try apt-get install unzip
then you can unzip *.zip files but the better way is to apt-get install=20
mozilla because it's much faster.
But it doesn't work at the moment because it breaks with an segmentation=
 fault.

>Is there another browser that would be
>better?  If so, please advise(or a binary download wouldn't hurt).

Dillo is nice but not perfect at the moment.
And if you have enough time or a powerful machine the you can use konqueror.

>PS: is there any hope of a jre on parisc-linux?

I hope so. I'm waiting for a jvm.

cya,
Tilo

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Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.

[Andrew Shugg]

Quoth David Dougall:
> PS: is there any hope of a jre on parisc-linux?

I would say definitely, after this recent press release from the Apache
Software Foundation:

  http://www.apache.org/foundation/news.html

(linking to)

  http://www1.internetwire.com/iwire/release_html_b1?release_id=39838

"ASF reaches agreement with Sun Microsystems to allow open source Java
implementations."

What I _think_ this means (after reading through the full article) is
that we're going to see fully open, 100%-approved Java implementations
running natively in Linux and other alternative operating systems in the
near future.  I don't know what the current issues (if any) are with
building the jdk1.1 or jdk1.2 packages under linux-hppa, but I would
hope that following this announcement HP will (somehow) be able to
assist in getting a production-ready JRE into linux-hppa.

(Caveat: I could have this all wrong of course.)

Once HPUX binary compatibility is working properly the HPUX JRE could
probably be used as well, but if there's a comparable native solution I
don't know if many people will go to that effort.

Andrew.

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"Is there?  Well I'd like to meet him.  I could do with a good laugh."

Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.

[Grant Grundler]

Andrew Shugg wrote:
> ....but I would hope that following this announcement HP will (somehow)
> be able to assist in getting a production-ready JRE into linux-hppa.

Just to set your expectation, inside HP I don't see any commercial
interest in parisc-linux at this time. I can make compute resources
(== faster machines) available for building/testing binaries. But
that's about the level of assistance I see happening from various
parts of HP.

> Once HPUX binary compatibility is working properly the HPUX JRE could
> probably be used as well, but if there's a comparable native solution I
> don't know if many people will go to that effort.

I was hoping (there's that word again) someone would do that.
All parisc machines were sold with a HPUX license. As the owner
of such a machine, you have the right to run the binaries
shipped with the machine. And it comes with lots of useful
binaries (jvm, compiler, X11 stuff, etc).

hth,
grant

[parisc-linux] PARISC Linux machines?

[Michael Madden]

Hello;

I was wondering if anyone out there needs older PA-RISC machines to use on
PA-RISC Linux and the Debian 3.0 port to PA-RISC.  I have many 735
workstations, a few 725/715 workstations, and a few C110 workstations.

Right now, they are all collecting dust.  I'd be willing to donate the
machines to someone who will put them to use on the PA-RISC Linux
or Debian 3.0 project.

Thanks,

Michael Madden

Re: [parisc-linux] PARISC Linux machines?

[Juergen Braukmann]

Michael Madden schrieb:
> 
> Hello;
> 
> I was wondering if anyone out there needs older PA-RISC machines to use on
> PA-RISC Linux and the Debian 3.0 port to PA-RISC.  I have many 735
> workstations, a few 725/715 workstations, and a few C110 workstations.
> 
> Right now, they are all collecting dust.  I'd be willing to donate the
> machines to someone who will put them to use on the PA-RISC Linux
> or Debian 3.0 project.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michael Madden

Hi Michael,

see http://www.openpa.net (particulary
http://www.openpa.net/about.html). Paul seems to have an interest in
that. I could do with some C110 memory, but it's nbot worth to strip
a working box for that.

Juergen



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Re: [parisc-linux] PARISC Linux machines?

[Andrew Shugg]

Juergen Braukmann said:
> Michael Madden schrieb:
> > Hello;
> > 
> > I was wondering if anyone out there needs older PA-RISC machines to use on
> > PA-RISC Linux and the Debian 3.0 port to PA-RISC.  I have many 735
> > workstations, a few 725/715 workstations, and a few C110 workstations.
> > 
> > Right now, they are all collecting dust.  I'd be willing to donate the
> > machines to someone who will put them to use on the PA-RISC Linux
> > or Debian 3.0 project.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Michael Madden

Michael,

I'm sure you'll get some interest from people; maybe try a non-spammy
offer in the debian-hppa mailing list.  Some more info you could include
would be what part of the world you live in, and whether you have the
means to ship the boxes or if interested parties need to arrange removal
themselves (ie visit you!).

> Hi Michael,
> 
> see http://www.openpa.net (particulary
> http://www.openpa.net/about.html). Paul seems to have an interest in
> that. I could do with some C110 memory, but it's nbot worth to strip
> a working box for that.
> 
> Juergen

Thanks Juergen, I wasn't aware of this site's existence.  I don't think
there's a link to it on the parisc-linux.org web site; is this something
we could do?  Under the "User Resources" section of the sidebar would be
a suitable place, I imagine.

Andrew.

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"Just remember, Mr Fawlty, there's always someone worse off than yourself."
"Is there?  Well I'd like to meet him.  I could do with a good laugh."

Re: [parisc-linux] PARISC Linux machines?

[Juergen Braukmann]

Andrew Shugg schrieb:

> [...]
> 
> 
> Thanks Juergen, I wasn't aware of this site's existence.  I don't think
> there's a link to it on the parisc-linux.org web site; is this something
> we could do?  Under the "User Resources" section of the sidebar would be
> a suitable place, I imagine.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
Andrew, you get there, but it's a bit hidden:

Select "technical documentation" from the main pa-risc page, other
useful links, you see "Other OS's for pa-risc" listed under "Utilitoes &
Source code". That link takes you there.
But I agree, a direct link from the main page would be more informative.

Juergen

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Re: [parisc-linux] PARISC Linux machines?

[Grant Grundler]

Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Thanks Juergen, I wasn't aware of this site's existence.  I don't think
> there's a link to it on the parisc-linux.org web site; is this something
> we could do?  Under the "User Resources" section of the sidebar would be
> a suitable place, I imagine.

I agree.  As noted, it's under "Techinical Documentation".
I'd like to see this link "promoted" to the navigation bar or
something more obvious on the navigation bar.

I'll be working on that in the next week or so.

grant

[parisc-linux] Building cvs 2.4.18

[Jeremy Drake]

I just checked out the latest cvs and I am trying to build it.
I copied the arch/parisc/debian-configs/32-smp to .config and ran
make-kpkg -rev jeremyd.0 kernel_image .  It clicks away for a while and
then dies on pcnet32.  I don't need pcnet32, so I removed it from the
config and went on.  Everything build successfully, but the depmod died.
Here's the output

depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
/usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.4.18-pa8/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o
depmod:         smp_num_cpus
depmod:         __cpu_number_map
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
/usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.4.18-pa8/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains.o
depmod:         smp_num_cpus
depmod:         __cpu_number_map
make[2]: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1


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Endless the quest;
I turn again, back to my own beginning,
And here, find rest.

Re: [parisc-linux] Building cvs 2.4.18

[Grant Grundler]

Jeremy Drake wrote:
> config and went on.  Everything build successfully, but the depmod died.
> Here's the output
> 
> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
> /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.4.18-pa8/kernel/net/ipv4/netfil
>   ter/ip_tables.o
> depmod:         smp_num_cpus
> depmod:         __cpu_number_map

hmm...this must have recently broke since I've built plenty
of SMP kernels with iptables enabled. I've stopped building SMP
for 2.4.18 since SMP is b0rken at the moment. But i don't think
we changed anything related to this since I've stopped...can you
run "make clean;make dep; make vmlinux;make modules" again?

> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
> /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.4.18-pa8/kernel/net/ipv4/netfil
>   ter/ipchains.o
> depmod:         smp_num_cpus
> depmod:         __cpu_number_map

If you can, ditch ipchains. If you need examples on how to
use iptables look at ftp.p-l.o:patches/a500/firewall.

grant

Re: [parisc-linux] Building cvs 2.4.18

[Grant Grundler]

Grant Grundler wrote:
> hmm...this must have recently broke since I've built plenty
> of SMP kernels with iptables enabled.

Sorry - I checked and my SMP builds had iptables statically linked in.
My non-SMP builds had iptables as a module. This should be easy to
fix (add missing EXPORT_SYMS to arch/parisc/kernel/parisc_ksyms.c).
If no one beats me to it, I'll do that tomorrow.

grant

Re: [parisc-linux] Building cvs 2.4.18

[Jeremy Drake]

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Grant Grundler wrote:

> I've stopped building SMP
> for 2.4.18 since SMP is b0rken at the moment.

I kinda noticed that when my box crashed again.  For now, I'll stop
messing with new versions and stick with my nice, stable 2.4.17-32-smp
debian version 23.  Debian version 32 crashes the box too.  Unfortunately,
23 seems to not detect my video card. I'll have more info when I get some
more time to experiment..

Could you let me know when smp stabilizes?  I may try non-smp today as a
last resort, but I hate wasting hardware ;)


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Re: [parisc-linux] Building cvs 2.4.18

[Andrew Shugg]

Quoth Grant Grundler:
> If you can, ditch ipchains. If you need examples on how to
> use iptables look at ftp.p-l.o:patches/a500/firewall.

Grant, are you quite sure of that location?  I can't see a /patches/a500
directory on the server, and didn't try dumping an ls -alR to look for
it as it's not felt to be polite practise on FTP servers these days.

Andrew.

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"Is there?  Well I'd like to meet him.  I could do with a good laugh."

Re: [parisc-linux] Building cvs 2.4.18

[Grant Grundler]

Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Grant, are you quite sure of that location?  I can't see a /patches/a500
> directory on the server, and didn't try dumping an ls -alR to look for
> it as it's not felt to be polite practise on FTP servers these days.

sorry - that should be kernels/a500/
or kernels/lxr8000/firewall is a newer version of the same thing.

Re: [parisc-linux] Building cvs 2.4.18

[Andrew Shugg]

Quoth Grant Grundler:
> sorry - that should be kernels/a500/
> or kernels/lxr8000/firewall is a newer version of the same thing.

ncftp /kernels > dir */firewall
-r--r--r--   1 grundler ftpadmin       4912 Jan  2 05:57 a500/firewall
-rwxr-xr-x   1 grundler ftpadmin       5113 Mar 10 07:44 c3000/firewall


I assume you mean c3000/firewall ?

Thanks, always interested to see how other people approach firewalling.

Andrew.

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"Is there?  Well I'd like to meet him.  I could do with a good laugh."

Re: [parisc-linux] Building cvs 2.4.18

[Grant Grundler]

Andrew Shugg wrote:
> I assume you mean c3000/firewall ?

No. I really meant lxr8000:
grundler <503>ls -l kernels/*/firewall
-rwxr-xr-x    1 grundler users        4912 Jan  1 21:39 kernels/a500/firewall*
-rwxr-xr-x    1 grundler users        4950 Mar 27 23:01 kernels/lxr8000/firewall*
-rwxr-xr-x    1 grundler users        5096 Jan 12 22:03 kernels/ob500/firewall*

I basically run the same firewall on all three machines with localized tweaks.


> Thanks, always interested to see how other people approach firewalling.

agreed - but this isn't just my own personal creatation. I've gotten
input from other folks who actaully know what they are doing.
(thanks to neuro, rbrad, lamont, et al).

grant

Re: [parisc-linux] Building cvs 2.4.18

[Andrew Shugg]

Quoth Grant Grundler:
> Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > I assume you mean c3000/firewall ?
> 
> No. I really meant lxr8000:
> grundler <503>ls -l kernels/*/firewall
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 grundler users        4912 Jan  1 21:39 kernels/a500/firewall*
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 grundler users        4950 Mar 27 23:01 kernels/lxr8000/firewall*
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 grundler users        5096 Jan 12 22:03 kernels/ob500/firewall*

Okay.  I think we're not looking on the same systems, somehow.  =)

[guinness:~]$ !nc
ncftp ftp.parisc-linux.org
NcFTP 3.0.0 beta 14 (June 25, 1998) by Mike Gleason.
Connecting to 192.25.206.7...
ProFTPD 1.2.0pre10 Server (Debian) [dsl2.external.hp.com]
Welcome to the PA RISC/Linux project archive!

You appear to be anonymous@ns1.au.network4.net
The local time is: Thu Mar 28 18:03:06 2002

Please report any problems to ftpmaster@ftp.parisc-linux.org
Anonymous access granted, restrictions apply.
Logged in to ftp.parisc-linux.org.
ncftp / > dir kernels/*/firewall
-r--r--r--   1 grundler ftpadmin       4912 Jan  2 05:57 kernels/a500/firewall
-rwxr-xr-x   1 grundler ftpadmin       5113 Mar 10 07:44 kernels/c3000/firewall
ncftp / >

There's only the one ftp server, isn't there?

Andrew.

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Re: [parisc-linux] Building cvs 2.4.18

[Grant Grundler]

Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Okay.  I think we're not looking on the same systems, somehow.  =)

We aren't. I didn't say gsyprf10.external.hp.com originally?

I seeded ftp.parisc-linux.org/kernels from gsyprf10.
I'll remove the parisc content from gsyprf10 ftp site so there is
no overlap and hopefully no confusion in the future.
Go by date stamps for now until it's cleaned up.

> There's only the one ftp server, isn't there?

For parisc-linux, yes.
But I maintain a bunch of other x86 boxes...

hth,
grant

[parisc-linux] List of packages for hppa ISO release

[Matt Taggart]

Hi binary-hppa hackers,

I have generated a list of packages that we intend to put in the ISO release 
at the end of this month. The list represents a first pass at what pb, willy, 
and I think should be installed on a parisc linux server box. We have excluded 
packages from non-US for the same reasons that Debian does. The way this list 
was generated was by installing the packages and then running a "dpkg 
--get-selections". If you like you can make your system identical to this list 
by feeding the list to "dpkg --set-selections". The list is available at,

http://puffin.external.hp.com/~taggart/selections.20010525

There are still a few missing dependencies but those should be taken care of 
in the next few days. If you have additions/deletions to the list please send 
them to me.

Thanks,

-- 
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taggart@fc.hp.com   HP Linux Systems Operation

Re: [parisc-linux] List of packages for hppa ISO release

[Grant Grundler]

Matt Taggart wrote:
> http://puffin.external.hp.com/~taggart/selections.20010525
> 
> There are still a few missing dependencies but those should be taken care of 
> in the next few days. If you have additions/deletions to the list please send
> them to me.

o ditch ipchains and add iptables instead.
o add cvs
o add an irc client? (tirc? tinyirc? ircii?)
o any memory or selftest tools we can include?
  (even untested - I'm looking at x86 package that has mem/cpu test)

grant

Grant Grundler
parisc-linux {PCI|IOMMU|SMP} hacker
+1.408.447.7253

Re: [parisc-linux] List of packages for hppa ISO release

[Matt Taggart]

Grant Grundler writes...

> Matt Taggart wrote:
> > http://puffin.external.hp.com/~taggart/selections.20010525
> > There are still a few missing dependencies but those should be taken care o
> > in the next few days. If you have additions/deletions to the list please se
> > them to me.
> 
> o ditch ipchains and add iptables instead.

Good idea but netbase depends on ipchains. I'll add iptables.

> o add cvs

We decided that cvs's debconf questions would be confusing to someone who 
didn't intend to setup a cvs repository right away. Not adding it, people can 
just get it from the archive.

> o add an irc client? (tirc? tinyirc? ircii?)

Good idea. Which one?

> o any memory or selftest tools we can include?
>   (even untested - I'm looking at x86 package that has mem/cpu test)

Good idea, but all the memory testers I've seen have been x86 specific. If 
people have specific ones they know will work for hppa then let me know.

-- 
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taggart@fc.hp.com   HP Linux Systems Operation

Re: [parisc-linux] List of packages for hppa ISO release

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 02:16:28PM -0600, Matt Taggart wrote:
> > o add an irc client? (tirc? tinyirc? ircii?)
> 
> Good idea. Which one?

ircii is in nonus because it links against openssl.  i use sirc myself.

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Re: [parisc-linux] List of packages for hppa ISO release

[John Galt]

On Tue, 29 May 2001, Matthew Wilcox wrote:

>On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 02:16:28PM -0600, Matt Taggart wrote:
>> > o add an irc client? (tirc? tinyirc? ircii?)
>>
>> Good idea. Which one?
>
>ircii is in nonus because it links against openssl.  i use sirc myself.

sirc is going to violate the POLS for HPUX admins migrating.  The HPPA
archive (auuugh! redundant!) lists BitchX, ircii, and blackened as IRC
clients.  BitchX looks like the _de facto_ standard one from here.

>

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Re: [parisc-linux] List of packages for hppa ISO release

[Alan Cox]

> sirc is going to violate the POLS for HPUX admins migrating.  The HPPA
> archive (auuugh! redundant!) lists BitchX, ircii, and blackened as IRC
> clients.  BitchX looks like the _de facto_ standard one from here.

BitchX is actually banned on some networks.

Re: [parisc-linux] List of packages for hppa ISO release

[Andrew Shugg]

Matt Taggart said:
> > o add an irc client? (tirc? tinyirc? ircii?)
> 
> Good idea. Which one?

I like epic.  It's not particularly small (the i386 package is 470k),
but it's in main (not non-US) and depends on nothing esoteric, just
libc6 and ncurses5.  It has one of the shortest bug lists of any Debian
package, too, but maybe that's just because everyone uses bitchx.  =)

Andrew.

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Re: [parisc-linux] List of packages for hppa ISO release

[Matt Taggart]

Andrew Shugg writes...

> Matt Taggart said:
> > > o add an irc client? (tirc? tinyirc? ircii?)
> > 
> > Good idea. Which one?
> 
> I like epic.

I just installed it and it seems to have some problems(ncurses?). I also tried 
sirc and it seems to work ok, so we'll go with that for now.

Thanks,

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[parisc-linux] A WinXP patch

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Re: [parisc-linux] A WinXP patch

[Grant Grundler]

grundler wrote:
> <FONT>Hello,This is a  WinXP patch<br>
> I expect you would like it.</FONT></BODY></HTML>

forged email - our trust worthy list admin approved this
spam a second before he realized it.
Save your flames for better causes.

grant

RE: [parisc-linux] Palinux on a 712/60

[Arnaud.ATOCH]

Hi,

I got a couple of 715 and I'd love having access to an ISO image with STI
console kernel too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Zink [mailto:ian.zink@maryville.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 00:09
To: 'parisc-linux@thepuffingroup.com'
Subject: RE: [parisc-linux] Palinux on a 712/60 


Thanks for the reply, Grant. However, the 712s do not have a serial console.
They do have a com port, but it does not work as a console, unfortunately.
So I need do need to get a STI enabled kernel. I dropped Paul Lahaie a note
to see if he could send me such a kernel so I do not have to create the
entire cross-platform development environment just to boot one of these
712s. After I get it, I plan on expanding the 0.5 iso and making a new one
using the STI console kernel.

Ian

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Re: [parisc-linux] Palinux on a 712/60

[Andrew Shugg]

Arnaud.ATOCH@oecd.org said:
> Hi,
> 
> I got a couple of 715 and I'd love having access to an ISO image with STI
> console kernel too.

I've never made an El Torito CDROM, is it possible to have multiple boot
images and a boot loader on a single disc?  ie could the actual boot
image be a boot loader (PALO) which then points at one or more kernels
on the CDROM?

Andrew.

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Re: [parisc-linux] Palinux on a 712/60

[Matt Taggart]

Andrew Shugg writes...

> Arnaud.ATOCH@oecd.org said:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I got a couple of 715 and I'd love having access to an ISO image with STI
> > console kernel too.
> 
> I've never made an El Torito CDROM, is it possible to have multiple boot
> images and a boot loader on a single disc?

El Torito is a PC thing. It makes the front of a CDROM look like a floppy to 
the PC BIOS. For hppa you put a lifimage on the front of the CDROM(or tape or 
HDD, etc).

> ie could the actual boot
> image be a boot loader (PALO) which then points at one or more kernels
> on the CDROM?

Maybe. Paul Bame is the expert though. I think he had to do some work to get 
palo to be able to see a kernel on an ISO9660 filesystem. I don't know if it 
can currently be interruped and pointed at a different kernel. Paul?

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[parisc-linux] webshite

[Matthew Wilcox]

since the lord god alex hasn't seen fit to inform anyone, it seems like
i should.  the www.thepuffingroup.com website is no longer being updated
and all the updates are only going to parisc-linux.org.  i have been
updating www.thepuffingroup.com becuase no-one told me that this site
was no longer supposed to be operational and i suspect a large number
of people who subscribe to this list still have it bookmarked.  also,
email sent to willy@thepuffingroup.com is no longer being received by me.
i don't know who gets it, but the sender does not receive a bounce.

yours, fucking furious, Matthew.

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Re: [parisc-linux] webshite

[Grant Grundler]

Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> 
> since the lord god alex hasn't seen fit to inform anyone, it seems like
> i should.  the www.thepuffingroup.com website is no longer being updated
> and all the updates are only going to parisc-linux.org.

We gave LXC's website maintainer grief about this already.

> i have been
> updating www.thepuffingroup.comwww.thepuffingroup.com becuase no-one told me that this site
> was no longer supposed to be operational and i suspect a large number
> of people who subscribe to this list still have it bookmarked.

Some time today, I expect (hope?) www.thepuffingroup.com/parisc will be
redirected to www.parisc-linux.org (.com works too).
I've asked mail be sent to this list when it happens.

> also,
> email sent to willy@thepuffingroup.com is no longer being received by me.
> i don't know who gets it, but the sender does not receive a bounce.

This should probably bounce since it's been stale for about
11 monthes now...

hope this helps,
grant

ps. just trying to compensate for an otherwise lack of communication.

> 
> yours, fucking furious, Matthew.
> 
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Re: [parisc-linux] webshite

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 12:31:11PM -0800, Grant Grundler wrote:
> Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > also,
> > email sent to willy@thepuffingroup.com is no longer being received by me.
> > i don't know who gets it, but the sender does not receive a bounce.
> 
> This should probably bounce since it's been stale for about
> 11 monthes now...

um, it was my email address until about 3 months ago.  at least one person
still had that as their preferred email address for me.  if anyone else
does, they should probably change it.  it's the lack of bounce which
concerns me, which implies that someone's receiving it, reading mail
destined for me and not forwarding it on.

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Re: [parisc-linux] webshite

[Andrew Shugg]

Matthew Wilcox said:
> the www.thepuffingroup.com website is no longer being updated and all
> the updates are only going to parisc-linux.org.

I don't know if there's some other secret mailing list I'm missing out
on, but that's the first time I've heard of "parisc-linux.org" I'm sure.
So thankyou for being the one to bring it up.

Will the mailing list be moving as well?  (Given that it belongs with
the project, not the mothballed puffingroup website.)

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Shame, I thought your old sig was funnier.

Andrew.

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Re: [parisc-linux] webshite

[Matt Taggart]

Andrew Shugg writes...

> I don't know if there's some other secret mailing list I'm missing out
> on, but that's the first time I've heard of "parisc-linux.org" I'm sure.
> So thankyou for being the one to bring it up.

It was never officially announced, just setup. I guess this is the 
announcement.

> Will the mailing list be moving as well?  (Given that it belongs with
> the project, not the mothballed puffingroup website.)

Yes, most of the project's web/mail resources will be moving there shortly. Go 
ahead and update your bookmarks. I've been told there will be a 
pointer/redirect from the old site but I wouldn't count on it existing forever.

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taggart@fc.hp.com

Re: [parisc-linux] webshite

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 05:13:23AM +0800, Andrew Shugg wrote:
> Matthew Wilcox said:
> > the www.thepuffingroup.com website is no longer being updated and all
> > the updates are only going to parisc-linux.org.
> 
> I don't know if there's some other secret mailing list I'm missing out
> on, but that's the first time I've heard of "parisc-linux.org" I'm sure.
> So thankyou for being the one to bring it up.

oh, alex secretly went off and registered it.  the first we heard about
it was in a press release a couple of months ago.  for a while it's
been a (broken) redirect to www.thepuffingroup.com/parisc.  there's a
linuxcare internal mailing list for discussions of the parisc project,
but it wasn't mentioned on there either.

> Will the mailing list be moving as well?  (Given that it belongs with
> the project, not the mothballed puffingroup website.)

no idea.  alex is playing politics and he's not very good at it.
personally, i think everything should be moved to puffin.external.hp.com
and parisc-linux.org should just redirect to it, but that wouldn't fit
with the aforementioned political games.

> > -- 
> > "It's time for you to change your sig" -- Alex deVries
> 
> Shame, I thought your old sig was funnier.

oh, i just thought that was a more appropriate sig for the circumstances,
I haven't changed permanently.

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