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From: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, davem@redhat.com, paulus@samba.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.17 /dev/ports
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:44:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CEC8FB2.8090900@evision-ventures.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E17AXfM-0001xc-00@the-village.bc.nu>	<Pine.GSO.4.21.0205221053330.2737-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <20020523173033.6635611a.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>

Uz.ytkownik Rusty Russell napisa?:
> On Wed, 22 May 2002 10:54:25 -0400 (EDT)
> Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu> wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 22 May 2002, Alan Cox wrote:
>>
>>>XFree86 uses /proc/cpuinfo, /proc/bus/pci, /proc/mtrr, /proc/fb, /proc/dri
>>>and even such goodies as /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes
>>
>>... and while we are at flamewar-mongering, none of these files have any
>>business being in procfs.
> 
> 
> Let it never be said that you lack courage 8)
> 
> Let's sort this out at the kernel summit:
>  dev vs. driverfs. vs proc vs sysctl vs boot params vs. module params vs netlink

There isn't that much to be discussed there.

1. /proc is for process data becouse this has inherently a tree structure and
the FS abstractis is fitting this nicely. (We can share code with the VFS layer
therefore.)

2. /proc/sys is justifyed by the fact that sysctl can share a significant
amount of code with the procfs implementation. Note this *could* be changed
by abstracting the common code out of *both* procfs and sysctl instead
of stacking sysctl on to of procfs.

3. /proc/bus is superceeded by driverfs but has a tree struct and one can life
with it.

The rest is utter crap and legacy. Technically at least.

In particular the stuff listed above is looking like things which are in
reality device access abstractions and which belongs therefore to /dev/.

The only problem here is - people without taste for the implementation,
apparently love to look at files in /proc becouse this is giving them some
feelings I can't share...

PS. Did I mention that uniformity of interfaces is quite common in good
design practice? And something beeing ASCII simple doesn't imply that
it is an uniform interface.


  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-23  7:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-21  5:16 Linux-2.5.17 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 13:58 ` Linux-2.5.17 Roman Zippel
2002-05-21 16:06   ` Linux-2.5.17 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 18:36     ` Linux-2.5.17 Roman Zippel
2002-05-21 18:53       ` Linux-2.5.17 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 23:35         ` Linux-2.5.17 Roman Zippel
2002-05-22  0:10           ` Linux-2.5.17 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22  0:31             ` Linux-2.5.17 Roman Zippel
2002-05-22  0:54               ` Linux-2.5.17 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22  2:17                 ` Linux-2.5.17 David S. Miller
2002-05-22  2:40                   ` Linux-2.5.17 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22  2:57                     ` Linux-2.5.17 David S. Miller
2002-05-22  3:21                       ` Linux-2.5.17 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22  8:06                         ` Linux-2.5.17 David Lang
2002-05-22 14:14                         ` Linux-2.5.17 Dave McCracken
2002-05-22 16:10                           ` Linux-2.5.17 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22 13:45                 ` Linux-2.5.17 Roman Zippel
2002-05-22 16:08                   ` Linux-2.5.17 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 15:32 ` [PATCH] 2.5.17 IDE 65 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-21 16:59   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 16:35     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-21 17:56       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 18:49         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-21 20:08         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-05-21 23:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22  6:53             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-23  7:01               ` Kai Henningsen
2002-05-22  7:16 ` [PATCH] 2.5.17 IDE 66 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22  7:19 ` [PATCH] 2.5.17 IDE 67 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 17:13   ` Tom Rini
2002-05-22 16:21     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 17:31       ` Tom Rini
2002-05-22 16:40         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 18:47           ` Tom Rini
2002-05-23  6:08             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-23 15:26               ` Tom Rini
2002-05-23 14:32                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-23 15:40                   ` Tom Rini
2002-05-22  7:23 ` [PATCH] 2.5.16 IDE 68 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 10:48   ` Juan Quintela
2002-05-22  9:45     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 15:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22 15:03     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22  9:05 ` [PATCH] 2.5.17 /dev/ports Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 10:42   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-05-22  9:46     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 10:54     ` David S. Miller
2002-05-22 10:13       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 11:26         ` Russell King
2002-05-22 10:40           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 11:58             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-05-22 12:36             ` Russell King
2002-05-22 13:23               ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 12:31                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 12:44           ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 12:32             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 15:05               ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 13:05       ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 12:38         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 15:04           ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 13:53             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 15:03               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-05-22 15:07               ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-22 14:07                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 15:21                   ` Dave Jones
2002-05-22 15:19               ` Dave Jones
2002-05-22 15:31               ` Alan Cox
2002-05-27  9:04               ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 14:54             ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-22 15:24               ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 15:10                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-22 12:20                   ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2002-05-23  7:30               ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-23  6:44                 ` Martin Dalecki [this message]
2002-05-23  8:26                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-22 13:16   ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-22 12:30     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 13:50       ` Sebastian Droege
2002-05-22 13:52     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 13:49       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-05-22 12:51         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 13:56           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-05-22 14:58             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 13:49               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 14:42               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-05-22 13:59           ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-22 13:12             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 14:33               ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-22 13:40                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 13:16             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 14:34               ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-22 16:31               ` James Simmons
2002-05-22 14:12             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-05-27  9:07             ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 15:00         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 14:43           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-05-22 16:28   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22 17:22     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 16:17       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 17:30         ` Russell King
2002-05-22 16:36           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 17:36           ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-22 17:46         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 13:53         ` Riley Williams
2002-05-26 15:28           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-05-26 15:39             ` Riley Williams
2002-05-23 10:10     ` Martin Diehl
2002-05-22 10:54 ` Linux-2.5.17 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 12:04   ` Linux-2.5.17 Alexander Viro
2002-05-22 13:07     ` Linux-2.5.17 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 14:38       ` Linux-2.5.17 Alexander Viro
2002-05-22 13:42         ` Linux-2.5.17 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 16:55       ` Linux-2.5.17 Jan Kara
2002-05-22 12:14   ` Linux-2.5.17 Russell King
2002-05-22 12:36     ` Linux-2.5.17 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 16:02     ` Linux-2.5.17 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22 15:04       ` Linux-2.5.17 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 16:58         ` Linux-2.5.17 Jan Kara
2002-05-22 16:08           ` Linux-2.5.17 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 17:56             ` Linux-2.5.17 Jan Kara
2002-05-22 16:56               ` Linux-2.5.17 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-22 18:17                 ` Linux-2.5.17 Jan Kara
2002-05-22 18:36                   ` Linux-2.5.17 Russell King
2002-05-22 13:06   ` Linux-2.5.17 Alan Cox
2002-05-22 11:19 ` Linux-2.5.17 Russell King
2002-05-22 11:27   ` Linux-2.5.17 David S. Miller
2002-05-22 16:23   ` Linux-2.5.17 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22 17:31 ` [PATCH] 2.5.17 IDE 69 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-23  7:32 ` [PATCH] 2.5.17 sysvipc (AKA: spoiling oil in to the flames) Martin Dalecki
2002-05-24 13:59 ` Linux-2.5.17 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-24 14:23 ` [PATCH] 2.5.17 IDE 70 Martin Dalecki
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-22 16:30 [PATCH] 2.5.17 /dev/ports James Simmons
2002-05-22 17:25 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 17:39   ` James Simmons
     [not found] <mailman.1022085725.386.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2002-05-23 17:07 ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-05-23 18:05   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-23 19:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-23 19:31       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-23 21:22         ` Christer Weinigel
2002-05-23 21:37           ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-05-23 20:53             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-24  5:39           ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-23 21:29         ` Pete Zaitcev

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