new alsa docs.

new alsa docs.

[Patrick Shirkey]

I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs setup. 
Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for prime time.

You can see it here:

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/

I appreciate other people going through it but I will make some links to 
it from the main page tonight.

Thx.

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Re: new alsa docs.

[Dan Hollis]

On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs setup. 
> Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for prime time.
> You can see it here:
> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
> I appreciate other people going through it but I will make some links to 
> it from the main page tonight.

echo corporation is green now...

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Re: new alsa docs.

[Andy Wingo]

On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, Patrick Shirkey wrote:

> I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs setup. 
> Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for prime time.
> 
> You can see it here:
> 
> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/

Rad!

I hadn't been keeping up with the status of your work, Patrick, but it
looks great. Nice job.

A few suggestions, quibbles, etc, meant to be constructive feedback:

* It wasn't obvious to me that the "plus" down at the bottom is a link
to add information. Perhaps if it were a link or a button that said
something like "Add comment to this card's page..." or something it
would be more clear.

* I know you've got it templated, but I suppose that all of the common
stuff on the card pages could maybe go on one separate page.

* Are there any programs that don't work with ~/.asoundrc files? I don't
have one, personally. I just use the "default" device, as it suits my
needs fine. I think that templated asoundrc isn't all that useful, but
maybe that's just me.

* It would be nice if the link to the driver docs were a link instead of
a button. A table full of buttons is rather imposing, at least to me. I
think it takes longer to render, too.

Anyway, what you have looks good, keep up the good work. These are just
suggestions, take them or leave them as you will.

regards,

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Re: new alsa docs.

[Patrick Shirkey]

Dan Hollis wrote:

> 
>echo corporation is green now...
> 

Applied.

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Re: new alsa docs.

[Patrick Shirkey]

Andy Wingo wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> 
> 
>>I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs setup. 
>>Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for prime time.
>>
>>You can see it here:
>>
>>http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
> 
> 
> Rad!
> 
> I hadn't been keeping up with the status of your work, Patrick, but it
> looks great. Nice job.
> 

Thanks.

> A few suggestions, quibbles, etc, meant to be constructive feedback:
> 
> * It wasn't obvious to me that the "plus" down at the bottom is a link
> to add information. Perhaps if it were a link or a button that said
> something like "Add comment to this card's page..." or something it
> would be more clear.
> 

Ok. I stole it from the php site. I am trying to think of a new design 
that is funky. Probably a spin on the ALSA logo with ADD instead of ALSA.

> * I know you've got it templated, but I suppose that all of the common
> stuff on the card pages could maybe go on one separate page.
> 

We discussed this a while ago and the general consensus was that we 
wanted the page to be complete. I have tried to make a compromise 
between having the high level stuff easily accesible and not making it 
too scary for new users. The aim of the new setup is to provide a style 
of documentation which is similar to the way M$ does it. The sad truth 
is that is what the majority are used to so we want to make the 
transition easier for them.

I am open to other ways of presenting the material on the page.

> * Are there any programs that don't work with ~/.asoundrc files? I don't
> have one, personally. I just use the "default" device, as it suits my
> needs fine. I think that templated asoundrc isn't all that useful, but
> maybe that's just me.
> 

The .asoundrc is very simple for the main reason that we don't have 
working user docs for the .asoundrc file yet. I am working on it as are 
others. Watch this space. However the one in the template does work with 
  f.i ardour so that is useful for a lot of people.

> * It would be nice if the link to the driver docs were a link instead of
> a button. A table full of buttons is rather imposing, at least to me. I
> think it takes longer to render, too.
> 

I know but I haven't yet figured out how to make use a link as a submit 
button for a form which is the basis of the current design. Everything 
is posted around. I know there are better ways to do this but I don't 
know how to do them. So it will be form based until I or someone else 
can write a better version. Emphasis on write :)

> Anyway, what you have looks good, keep up the good work. These are just
> suggestions, take them or leave them as you will.
> 

I appreciate your feedback because it shows me which parts I need to 
work on.



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Re: new alsa docs.

[James Tappin]

On Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:25:22 +0900
PS> > On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
PS> > 
PS> > 
PS> >>I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs
PS> >setup. >Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for
PS> >prime time.>
PS> >>You can see it here:
PS> >>
PS> >>http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/

Just a couple of minor queries.
1) In the "Setting up modprobe and kmod support" you do not include the
line:
        alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
(at least for the two cards relevant to me [trident and ice1712] but you
do
include it in the explanation. Which is recommended?

2) For debian it is possible to add a new file "alsasound" (say) to
/etc/modutils/ and update-modules will find it (I'm not sure if this is
recommended practice or not, I'm still very much a beginner with
debian).

Overall though, a nice piece of work, that should be very useful in
making ALSA more accessible to new users.

James


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Re: new alsa docs.

[Patrick Shirkey]

James Tappin wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:25:22 +0900
> PS> > On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> PS> > 
> PS> > 
> PS> >>I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs
> PS> >setup. >Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for
> PS> >prime time.>
> PS> >>You can see it here:
> PS> >>
> PS> >>http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
> 
> Just a couple of minor queries.
> 1) In the "Setting up modprobe and kmod support" you do not include the
> line:
>         alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
> (at least for the two cards relevant to me [trident and ice1712] but you
> do
> include it in the explanation. Which is recommended?
> 

Hmmm, good question. I have added it for now as they are different minor 
numbers.

> 2) For debian it is possible to add a new file "alsasound" (say) to
> /etc/modutils/ and update-modules will find it (I'm not sure if this is
> recommended practice or not, I'm still very much a beginner with
> debian).
> 

Ahh. So all files that configure modules in some way eg startup or 
modules.conf are dealt with by modutils? I'll read up and see if I can 
make the tip more precise.

> Overall though, a nice piece of work, that should be very useful in
> making ALSA more accessible to new users.
> 

Thanks.



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Re: new alsa docs.

[Joerg Mayer]

Nice work Patrick! I've found a few things that can be improved (although
I consider only the first point somewhat important)
1) for emu10k cards: add a section how to download the samples into
   the card
2) The buttons inside the table in the cards page look ugly (konqueror kde3)
3) Add missing ALT tags (and height and width, while you are at it, the
   latter can be done with imagesize from cpan).
4) Look at the pages with a text browser like links or w3m: the color for
   the soundcards is missing.

  Ciao
     Jörg

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Re: new alsa docs.

[Andy Wingo]

On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, James Tappin wrote:

> 2) For debian it is possible to add a new file "alsasound" (say) to
> /etc/modutils/ and update-modules will find it (I'm not sure if this is
> recommended practice or not, I'm still very much a beginner with
> debian).

For debian, you're best off installing the alsa libs, etc from packages,
and building the modules from source. The alsa-base package provides
modutils and sysvinit integration. See /etc/alsa/modutils/0.9 [*] for
the modutils stuff.

[*] It might be 1.0 now. I have both files and they look the same. Hey
Jaroslav, let's get a 1.0 ;-)

regards,

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Use less number of BDs in i810

[Shaju Abraham]

Hi all,
         I suppose that present implementation of i810 driver uses 32 BDs.  Can
u pls direct me how to reduce this number to say only 16 or 8 BDs.

Also, now if the number of frags I am getting is 8, size of each frag I am
getting is 4456 bytes.  I have two questions regarding this.

1.         How can I force the fragment size to be  abt 1k or 2k bytes?

2.         Is it strange that this number is not a multiple of 512 bytes?  ( I
am getting physize of 35648 bytes.  not 32K ? )

Thanx in advance,
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Re: Use less number of BDs in i810

[Takashi Iwai]

At Wed, 07 Aug 2002 12:54:23 +0530,
Shaju Abraham wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>          I suppose that present implementation of i810 driver uses
> 32 BDs.

no, it's maximal 32 BDs.
and, in the current code, a period (as the alsa's terminology)
corresponds to a BD, i.e. maximal 32 periods.

> Can u pls direct me how to reduce this number to say only 16 or 8 BDs.
> 
> Also, now if the number of frags I am getting is 8, size of each frag I am
> getting is 4456 bytes.  I have two questions regarding this.
> 
> 1.         How can I force the fragment size to be  abt 1k or 2k bytes?

via alsa-lib API.  set the period size (or period time) explicitly.

> 2.         Is it strange that this number is not a multiple of 512 bytes?  ( I
> am getting physize of 35648 bytes.  not 32K ? )

in the current code it's ok.  the size of each BD is arbitrary.

but if we use discontinuous kernel pages via scatter-gather mechanism,
the period size must be aligned to the power of two.  this is not
implemented on intel8x0 driver yet, but once if it's there, the size 
will be restricted.


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Re: new alsa docs.

[Takashi Iwai]

At Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:24:47 -0400,
Andy Wingo wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 06 Aug 2002, James Tappin wrote:
> 
> > 2) For debian it is possible to add a new file "alsasound" (say) to
> > /etc/modutils/ and update-modules will find it (I'm not sure if this is
> > recommended practice or not, I'm still very much a beginner with
> > debian).
> 
> For debian, you're best off installing the alsa libs, etc from packages,
> and building the modules from source. The alsa-base package provides
> modutils and sysvinit integration. See /etc/alsa/modutils/0.9 [*] for
> the modutils stuff.
> 
> [*] It might be 1.0 now. I have both files and they look the same. Hey
> Jaroslav, let's get a 1.0 ;-)

at first we need a 0.9 without rc :)


Takashi


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Re: new alsa docs.

[Takashi Iwai]

At Tue, 06 Aug 2002 20:12:02 +0900,
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> 
> > Just a couple of minor queries.
> > 1) In the "Setting up modprobe and kmod support" you do not include the
> > line:
> >         alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
> > (at least for the two cards relevant to me [trident and ice1712] but you
> > do
> > include it in the explanation. Which is recommended?
> > 
> 
> Hmmm, good question. I have added it for now as they are different minor 
> numbers.

another minor correction:

in the section 'A short explanation of what happens in the
/etc/modules.conf file', there are two bogus configurations for the
second card:
	alias sound-service-1-1 snd-seq-oss
	alias sound-service-1-8 snd-seq-oss

they are not necessary, because there is only one /dev/sequencer,
regardless how many cards you have.


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Re: new alsa docs.

[Niklas Werner]

Am Montag, 5. August 2002 17:51 wurde geschrieben:
> I'm have soreted out all the final bugs I had with the new docs setup.
> Added the midi stuff and I feel that the site is ready for prime time.
>
> You can see it here:
>
> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
>
> I appreciate other people going through it but I will make some links
> to it from the main page tonight.

You might want to add Emagic's "EMI 2|6" to the matrix at least in green, 
though it works fully for me with the following:

-> using tapio laxströms firmware loader (yes, he signed a NDA...) from 
http://www.vtoy.fi/~tapio/emi26.html to load the firmware

-> Then using the usb-audio-driver

-> .asoundrc: 
==================
pcm.emi {
        type hw;
        card 0;
}
ctl.emi {
        type hw;
        card 0;
}
==================

-> modules.conf:
==================
alias char-major-116 snd
alias char-major-14 soundcore
# EMI 2|6
alias snd-card-0 snd-usb-audio
alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
options snd-usb-audio snd_id="emi"
==================

Unfortunately there are a few system-hangups I experienced on my 
intel-box, but I suspect my setup isn't very clean any more...
On my ppc it runs just fine ;-)

Have fun*

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Re: new alsa docs.

[Scott MacKenzie]

Hi,

Can I just take the opportunity to ask why, in the sound-card matrix, 
the Hoontech ST Audio DSP24 is in green as a 'possible' still, when the 
entry below it, the IC Ensemble Envy24 (the former being based on the 
latter) is supported with the ice1712 driver?  Are there outstanding 
issues with regard to Hoontech-specific functions?  I've just started 
playing with the former card (a Mk I version), and in fact am yet to 
obtain an external rack for it.

Regards,

Scott. 
On 2002.08.08 03:11 Niklas Werner wrote:
> 
> You might want to add Emagic's "EMI 2|6" to the matrix at least in
> green,
> though it works fully for me with the following:
> 


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Re: new alsa docs.

[Patrick Shirkey]

Scott MacKenzie wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can I just take the opportunity to ask why, in the sound-card matrix, 
> the Hoontech ST Audio DSP24 is in green as a 'possible' still, when the 
> entry below it, the IC Ensemble Envy24 (the former being based on the 
> latter) is supported with the ice1712 driver?  Are there outstanding 
> issues with regard to Hoontech-specific functions?  I've just started 
> playing with the former card (a Mk I version), and in fact am yet to 
> obtain an external rack for it.
> 

Let us know how you get on and we will change the matrix accordingly.




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RE: new alsa docs.

[Karsten Wiese]

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hallo,

please add the turtle beach cards fiji & pinnacle as (supported as module,
cvs) to the sound card matrix.

danke,
karsten

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