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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@debian.org>
Cc: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	rddunlap@osdl.org, davej@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-janitor-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: C99 Initialisers
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:29:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F3A9FA1.8000708@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030813195412.GE10015@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>

Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 03:44:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
>>enums are easy  putting direct references would be annoying, but I also 
>>argue it's potentially broken and wrong to store and export that 
>>information publicly anyway.  The use of enums instead of pointers is 
>>practically required because there is a many-to-one relationship of ids 
>>to board information structs.
> 
> 
> The hard part is that it's actually many-to-many.  The same card can have
> multiple drivers.  one driver can support many cards.

pci_device_tables are (and must be) at per-driver granularity.  Sure the 
same card can have multiple drivers, but that doesn't really matter in 
this context, simply because I/we cannot break that per-driver 
granularity.  Any solution must maintain per-driver granularity.


> Let me give you a true story that your solution needs to address.
> I recently got myself a Compaq Evo with an eepro100 onboard.  So I took
> my Debian 3.0 CD and tried to install on it.  Failed because the eepro
> on the board had PCI IDs that were more recent than the driver.
> 
> So I took the driver module, put it on a floppy, hand-edited the binary
> to replace one of the PCI IDs with the ones that came back from lspci.
> Stuck the floppy back in the Evo, loaded the hacked module and finished
> the install.  Then compiled a new kernel ;-)
> 
> I haven't seen anything to address this in a nicer way yet.

Well, the step I wish to take - moving the ids from location X to 
location Y, would have no effect on that scenario, positive or negative.

	Jeff




  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-08-13 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-12  2:02 C99 Initialisers CaT
2003-08-12  2:18 ` Robert Love
2003-08-12  2:39   ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-08-12  2:45     ` Robert Love
2003-08-12  2:57     ` Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
2003-08-12  5:38     ` Greg KH
2003-08-12  9:01       ` Maciej Soltysiak
2003-08-12 10:03         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-08-12 10:19           ` Jakub Jelinek
2003-08-12 11:27       ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-08-12 16:54         ` Ian Hastie
2003-08-12 18:01         ` Greg KH
2003-08-12 23:53           ` Dave Jones
2003-08-13  0:08             ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-08-13  0:23               ` Greg KH
2003-08-13  0:31                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-08-14  5:45               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-08-13 15:52             ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-13 17:50               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13  0:02           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13  0:14             ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-08-13  0:31               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13  0:37                 ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-08-13  0:49                   ` Dave Jones
2003-08-13  1:25                     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13  3:02                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-08-13  3:26                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13 10:14                         ` David S. Miller
2003-08-13 17:31                           ` Greg KH
2003-08-13 17:36                             ` David S. Miller
2003-08-13 17:47                             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13 18:02                               ` Greg KH
2003-08-13 18:26                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13 18:38                                   ` Russell King
2003-08-13 19:44                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13 19:54                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-08-13 20:15                                         ` Greg KH
2003-08-13 20:16                                         ` Dave Jones
2003-08-13 20:30                                           ` Matt Domsch
2003-08-13 20:29                                         ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-08-13 21:05                                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-08-13 22:24                                             ` Roman Zippel
2003-08-14 20:31                                               ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-08-14 10:05                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-08-14 10:25                                             ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-14 10:52                                             ` jw schultz
2003-08-14 12:34                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-08-14 12:57                                             ` Andrey Panin
2003-08-14 18:45                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-08-13 21:06                                       ` Russell King
2003-08-13 21:17                                       ` Eduardo Pereira Habkost
2003-08-13 17:50                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-08-13 17:54                               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13 17:54                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-08-13 17:58                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13 18:03                                 ` Greg KH
2003-08-13 17:58                               ` Greg KH
2003-08-13 18:21                                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-08-13 18:09                               ` Russell King
2003-08-13 20:21                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-08-13 21:17                               ` David S. Miller
2003-08-13 21:26                               ` Greg KH
2003-08-14 22:46                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-08-12 17:37     ` Dave Jones
2003-08-12 17:48       ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-08-12 22:06         ` Ian Hastie
2003-08-13 15:54   ` CaT
2003-08-14  6:57     ` Maciej Soltysiak
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-08-12 16:52 Shureih, Tariq
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2003-08-13 21:19                     ` junkio
2003-08-13 22:18                       ` Greg KH

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