From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/13] Dynamic Kernel Stacks
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2026 14:13:37 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bfc80ef-bea3-4f76-b20d-de2fdb008667@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <akLS44JGF59hh6aN@casper.infradead.org>
On 6/29/26 13:17, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 09:02:08AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> It could be done with really little overhead if the vmalloc()'d stacks
>> set Accessed=0 on their PTEs and then checked them near vfree(). The
>> PTEs are already getting touched there, so the cachelines should be hot
>> anyway.
>>
>> The granularity would only be 4k, but it would be so cheap that we could
>> turn it on universally. It would also be 100% deterministic.
>>
>> There are, of course, more games that could be played with stack depth
>> checks on normal interrupts or NMIs. But those would be less deterministic.
> I mean, if we just memset64() the whole stack to 0x535441434b544f50 and
> then searched the stack for the lowest word that wasn't that value at
> process exit, we'd get a much more granular idea with vanishingly few
> false positives.
What I was going for was some first pass check that would be so
ridiculously cheap that it could be turned on everywhere. Those 4 PTEs
are going to be touched in the exit code path anyway, so there's not
even any additional cache impact.
But, yeah, if it needed to be more more fine-grained than pages, what
you describe could 100% be done. But, at the cost of pulling in more
cachelines. It's similar to what Vlastimil was pointing out: there's a
lot of good info in the bottom of the stack long after it was popped.
There is fine-graned usage data and probably some stack frame remnants
that could point the finger at what code is to blame.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-29 21:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-24 19:14 [PATCH v2 00/13] Dynamic Kernel Stacks David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] fork: Remove assumption that vm_area->nr_pages equals to THREAD_SIZE David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] fork: Don't assume fully populated stack during reuse David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] fork: Move vm_stack to the beginning of the stack David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] fork: separate vmap stack allocation and free calls David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] mm/vmalloc: Add a get_vm_area_node() and vmap_pages_range() public functions David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] fork: Move vmap stack freeing to work queue David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stacks David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] task_stack.h: Add stack_not_used() support for dynamic stack David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stack accounting David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] fork: Store task pointer in unpopulated stack ptes David Stevens
2026-06-26 22:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-27 23:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] x86/entry/fred: encode frame pointer on entry David Stevens
2026-05-20 22:24 ` David Stevens
2026-05-22 22:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-05-24 18:22 ` Xin Li
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] x86: Add support for dynamic kernel stacks via FRED David Stevens
2026-06-26 22:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-27 4:05 ` David Stevens
2026-06-28 16:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-28 20:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-29 8:41 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-29 14:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-30 8:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] x86: Add support for dynamic kernel stacks via IST David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:41 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] Dynamic Kernel Stacks Dave Hansen
2026-04-24 21:35 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-04-24 22:21 ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-24 22:49 ` David Stevens
2026-04-24 22:26 ` David Laight
2026-04-24 23:06 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-06-19 0:29 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-19 19:56 ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20 5:25 ` David Stevens
2026-06-20 23:22 ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-25 9:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-04-27 16:17 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-18 14:50 ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-18 18:53 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-18 22:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-19 0:40 ` David Stevens
2026-06-19 0:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-19 12:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-19 19:20 ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-19 21:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-20 5:02 ` David Stevens
2026-06-20 21:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-20 19:33 ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20 19:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-20 20:01 ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20 23:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-22 23:00 ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-23 7:50 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-23 9:10 ` David Laight
2026-06-23 9:19 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-23 21:58 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-29 16:02 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-29 16:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-29 16:18 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-29 16:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-29 17:29 ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-29 17:38 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-29 19:43 ` David Laight
2026-06-29 20:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-29 21:13 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2026-06-29 20:28 ` David Laight
2026-06-25 11:56 ` Andrew Cooper
2026-06-25 21:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-26 8:16 ` David Laight
2026-04-27 16:31 ` Pasha Tatashin
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