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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, David Stevens <stevensd@google.com>
Cc: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Will Deacon <willdeacon@google.com>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Xin Li <xin@zytor.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 12/13] x86: Add support for dynamic kernel stacks via FRED
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2026 10:28:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v7b0qvna.ffs@fw13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7D930EA3-54D1-41CD-B547-8A2A69F89142@zytor.com>

On Mon, Jun 29 2026 at 07:52, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On June 29, 2026 1:41:13 AM PDT, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org> wrote:
>>On Sun, Jun 28 2026 at 13:33, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>>
>>> To be fair, for this *specific* case, memmove() does exist for a reason :)
>>
>> It does, but why bother doing actual work, if you know upfront that it's
>> not required :)
>
> Of course. 
>
> Then there is the very open question if this thing has legs at
> all.

The jury is still out on that :)

> I'm still interested in using SL1 for the interrupt stack as I think
> that could be a performance boost.

I'm not convinced that it will give you a measurable boost.

It spares the trivial stack switch to/from the interrupt stack in
call_on_stack() and the hardirq_stack_inuse logic around it. With an
interrupt rate of 50KHz and 10 instructions spared, that gives you
0.025% performance win on a 2GHz machine.

But if need_resched() is set the return path has to do the full stack
pivot to the SL0 stack. That's a memcpy() of sizeof(fred_frame) + the
extra stack consumption including common_interrupt(), which accumulates
to ~256 bytes, i.e. four cache lines. Plus the FRED_CONFIG MSR write.

IOW, if need_resched() is set, it's a guaranteed loss and latency
sensitive scenarios including RT will notice.

Thanks,

        tglx


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-30  8:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-24 19:14 [PATCH v2 00/13] Dynamic Kernel Stacks David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] fork: Remove assumption that vm_area->nr_pages equals to THREAD_SIZE David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] fork: Don't assume fully populated stack during reuse David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] fork: Move vm_stack to the beginning of the stack David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] fork: separate vmap stack allocation and free calls David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] mm/vmalloc: Add a get_vm_area_node() and vmap_pages_range() public functions David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] fork: Move vmap stack freeing to work queue David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stacks David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] task_stack.h: Add stack_not_used() support for dynamic stack David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stack accounting David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] fork: Store task pointer in unpopulated stack ptes David Stevens
2026-06-26 22:46   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-27 23:11     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] x86/entry/fred: encode frame pointer on entry David Stevens
2026-05-20 22:24   ` David Stevens
2026-05-22 22:25     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-05-24 18:22       ` Xin Li
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] x86: Add support for dynamic kernel stacks via FRED David Stevens
2026-06-26 22:39   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-27  4:05     ` David Stevens
2026-06-28 16:46       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-28 20:33         ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-29  8:41           ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-29 14:52             ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-30  8:28               ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] x86: Add support for dynamic kernel stacks via IST David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:41 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] Dynamic Kernel Stacks Dave Hansen
2026-04-24 21:35   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-04-24 22:21     ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-24 22:49       ` David Stevens
2026-04-24 22:26     ` David Laight
2026-04-24 23:06       ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-06-19  0:29       ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-19 19:56         ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20  5:25         ` David Stevens
2026-06-20 23:22           ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-25  9:19   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-04-27 16:17     ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-18 14:50       ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-18 18:53         ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-18 22:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-19  0:40             ` David Stevens
2026-06-19  0:44               ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-19 12:45           ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-19 19:20             ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-19 21:59               ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-20  5:02                 ` David Stevens
2026-06-20 21:59                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-20 19:33                 ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20 19:44                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-20 20:01                     ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20 23:34                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-22 23:00                     ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-23  7:50                       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-23  9:10                         ` David Laight
2026-06-23  9:19                           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-23 21:58                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-29 16:02                         ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-29 16:12                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-29 16:18                           ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-29 16:21                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-29 17:29                               ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-29 17:38                                 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-29 19:43                                 ` David Laight
2026-06-29 20:17                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-29 21:13                             ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-29 20:28                           ` David Laight
2026-06-25 11:56         ` Andrew Cooper
2026-06-25 21:38           ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-26  8:16         ` David Laight
2026-04-27 16:31     ` Pasha Tatashin

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