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From: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
To: root@chaos.analogic.com
Cc: Alok Mooley <rangdi@yahoo.com>, Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: Active Memory Defragmentation: Our implementation & problems
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:37:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40214A11.3060007@techsource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402041402310.2722@chaos>



Richard B. Johnson wrote:

> If this is an Intel x86 machine, it is impossible for pages
> to get fragmented in the first place. The hardware allows any
> page, from anywhere in memory, to be concatenated into linear
> virtual address space. Even the kernel address space is virtual.
> The only time you need physically-adjacent pages is if you
> are doing DMA that is more than a page-length at a time. The
> kernel keeps a bunch of those pages around for just that
> purpose.
> 
> So, if you are making a "memory defragmenter", it is a CPU time-sink.
> That's all.

Would memory fragmentation have any appreciable impact on L2 cache line 
collisions?

Would defragmenting it help?

In the case of the Opteron, there is a 1M cache that is (I forget) N-way 
set associative, and it's physically indexed.  If a bunch of pages were 
located such that there were a disproportionately large number of lines 
which hit the same tag, you could be thrashing the cache.

There are two ways to deal with this:  (1) intelligently locates pages 
in physical memory; (2) hope that natural entropy keeps things random 
enough that it doesn't matter.



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From: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
To: root@chaos.analogic.com
Cc: Alok Mooley <rangdi@yahoo.com>, Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: Active Memory Defragmentation: Our implementation & problems
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:37:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40214A11.3060007@techsource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402041402310.2722@chaos>


Richard B. Johnson wrote:

> If this is an Intel x86 machine, it is impossible for pages
> to get fragmented in the first place. The hardware allows any
> page, from anywhere in memory, to be concatenated into linear
> virtual address space. Even the kernel address space is virtual.
> The only time you need physically-adjacent pages is if you
> are doing DMA that is more than a page-length at a time. The
> kernel keeps a bunch of those pages around for just that
> purpose.
> 
> So, if you are making a "memory defragmenter", it is a CPU time-sink.
> That's all.

Would memory fragmentation have any appreciable impact on L2 cache line 
collisions?

Would defragmenting it help?

In the case of the Opteron, there is a 1M cache that is (I forget) N-way 
set associative, and it's physically indexed.  If a bunch of pages were 
located such that there were a disproportionately large number of lines 
which hit the same tag, you could be thrashing the cache.

There are two ways to deal with this:  (1) intelligently locates pages 
in physical memory; (2) hope that natural entropy keeps things random 
enough that it doesn't matter.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-02-04 19:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-03  4:46 Active Memory Defragmentation: Our implementation & problems Alok Mooley
2004-02-03  4:46 ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-03 21:26 ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-03 21:26   ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-03 22:26   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-03 22:26     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-04  5:09   ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04  5:09     ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04  5:24     ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-04  5:24       ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-04  5:54     ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  5:54       ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  6:05       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-04  6:05         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-04  6:22         ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  6:22           ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  6:29           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-04  6:29             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-04  6:40             ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  6:40               ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  7:17               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-04  7:17                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-04  8:30                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-04  8:30                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-04  6:53             ` Doubt about statm_pgd_range patch Arunkumar
2004-02-04  6:57       ` Active Memory Defragmentation: Our implementation & problems IWAMOTO Toshihiro
2004-02-04  6:57         ` IWAMOTO Toshihiro
2004-02-04  7:10         ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  7:10           ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  7:50           ` IWAMOTO Toshihiro
2004-02-04  7:50             ` IWAMOTO Toshihiro
2004-02-04 10:33         ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2004-02-04 10:33           ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2004-02-04 18:33       ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04 18:46         ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04 18:54           ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04 18:54             ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04 19:07             ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-02-04 19:07               ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-02-04 19:18               ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04 19:18                 ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04 19:33                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-02-04 19:33                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-02-05  5:07                   ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-05  5:07                     ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-05 19:03                   ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-05 19:03                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-04 19:35               ` Dave McCracken
2004-02-04 19:35                 ` Dave McCracken
2004-02-04 21:59                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-04 21:59                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-04 23:24                   ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04 23:24                     ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-05 16:32                     ` Dave McCracken
2004-02-05 16:32                       ` Dave McCracken
2004-02-04 19:37               ` Timothy Miller [this message]
2004-02-04 19:37                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-04 19:43                 ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04 19:43                   ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04 19:59                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-02-04 19:59                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-02-04 19:56             ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04 19:56               ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-05  5:19               ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-05  5:19                 ` Alok Mooley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-04 20:12 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-02-04 20:12 ` Mark_H_Johnson

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