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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@scsiguy.com>
Cc: Kevin Corry <kevcorry@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: "Enhanced" MD code avaible for review
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:13:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <406375B0.5040406@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1030470000.1080257746@aslan.btc.adaptec.com>

Justin T. Gibbs wrote:
>>I respectfully disagree with the EMD folks that a userland approach is
>>impossible, given all the failure scenarios.
> 
> 
> I've never said that it was impossible, just unwise.  I believe
> that a userland approach offers no benefit over allowing the kernel
> to perform all meta-data operations.  The end result of such an
> approach (given feature and robustness parity with the EMD solution)
> is a larger resident side, code duplication, and more complicated
> configuration/management interfaces.

There is some code duplication, yes.  But the right userspace solution 
does not have a larger RSS, and has _less_ complicated management 
interfaces.  A key benefit of "do it in userland" is a clear gain in 
flexibility, simplicity, and debuggability (if that's a word).

But it's hard.  It requires some deep thinking.  It's a whole lot easier 
to do everything in the kernel -- but that doesn't offer you the 
protections of userland, particularly separate address spaces from the 
kernel, and having to try harder to crash the kernel.  :)

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-26  0:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-19 20:19 "Enhanced" MD code avaible for review Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-23  5:05 ` Neil Brown
2004-03-23  6:23   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-24  2:26     ` Neil Brown
2004-03-24 19:09       ` Matt Domsch
2004-03-25  2:21       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:00         ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-25 18:42           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:48             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 23:46               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:01                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26  0:10                   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:14                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 22:04             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-25 22:04               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26 19:19               ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-31 17:07                 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-03-25 23:35             ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:13               ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2004-03-26 17:43                 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28  0:06                   ` Lincoln Dale
2004-03-30 17:54                     ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28  0:30                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26 19:15             ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-26 20:45               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-27 15:39                 ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-28  9:11                   ` [dm-devel] " christophe varoqui
2004-03-30 17:03                   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:15                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 17:35                       ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:46                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:04                           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 21:47                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:12                               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 22:34                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:11                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-25 22:59           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-25 23:44             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-25 23:44               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26  0:03               ` Justin T. Gibbs
     [not found] <1AOTW-4Vx-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1AOTW-4Vx-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-18  1:33   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-18  2:00     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  9:58       ` Jamie Lokier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-17 18:14 Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-17 19:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 19:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-17 19:32     ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-17 20:02     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 20:02       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:18   ` Scott Long
2004-03-17 21:35     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:45     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18  0:23       ` Scott Long
2004-03-18  1:55         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18  6:38         ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-20 13:07         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-21 23:42           ` Scott Long
2004-03-22  9:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-22 21:59               ` Scott Long
2004-03-22 22:22                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-23  6:48                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-18  1:56     ` viro

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