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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@scsiguy.com>
Cc: Kevin Corry <kevcorry@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, dm-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: "Enhanced" MD code avaible for review
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:46:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4069B289.9030807@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <854630000.1080668158@aslan.btc.adaptec.com>

Justin T. Gibbs wrote:
>>The kernel should not be validating -trusted- userland inputs.  Root is
>>allowed to scrag the disk, violate limits, and/or crash his own machine.
>>
>>A simple example is requiring userland, when submitting ATA taskfiles via
>>an ioctl, to specify the data phase (pio read, dma write, no-data, etc.).
>>If the data phase is specified incorrectly, you kill the OS driver's ATA
>>host wwtate machine, and the results are very unpredictable.   Since this
>>is a trusted operation, requiring CAP_RAW_IO, it's up to userland to get the
>>required details right (just like following a spec).
> 
> 
> That's unfortunate for those using ATA.  A command submitted from userland

Required, since one cannot know the data phase of vendor-specific commands.


> to the SCSI drivers I've written that causes a protocol violation will
> be detected, result in appropriate recovery, and a nice diagnostic that
> can be used to diagnose the problem.  Part of this is because I cannot know
> if the protocol violation stems from a target defect, the input from the
> user or, for that matter, from the kernel.  The main reason is for robustness

Well,
* the target is not _issuing_ commands,
* any user issuing incorrect commands/cdbs is not your bug,
* and kernel code issuing incorrect cmands/cdbs isn't your bug either

Particularly, checking whether the kernel is doing something wrong, or 
wrong, just wastes cycles.  That's not a scalable way to code...  if 
every driver and Linux subsystem did that, things would be unbearable slow.

	Jeff

  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-30 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-19 20:19 "Enhanced" MD code avaible for review Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-23  5:05 ` Neil Brown
2004-03-23  6:23   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-24  2:26     ` Neil Brown
2004-03-24 19:09       ` Matt Domsch
2004-03-25  2:21       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:00         ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-25 18:42           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:48             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 23:46               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:01                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26  0:10                   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:14                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 22:04             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-25 22:04               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26 19:19               ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-31 17:07                 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-03-25 23:35             ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:13               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26 17:43                 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28  0:06                   ` Lincoln Dale
2004-03-30 17:54                     ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28  0:30                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26 19:15             ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-26 20:45               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-27 15:39                 ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-28  9:11                   ` [dm-devel] " christophe varoqui
2004-03-30 17:03                   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:15                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 17:35                       ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:46                         ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2004-03-30 18:04                           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 21:47                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:12                               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 22:34                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:11                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-25 22:59           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-25 23:44             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-25 23:44               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26  0:03               ` Justin T. Gibbs
     [not found] <1AOTW-4Vx-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1AOTW-4Vx-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-18  1:33   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-18  2:00     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  9:58       ` Jamie Lokier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-17 18:14 Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-17 19:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 19:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-17 19:32     ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-17 20:02     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 20:02       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:18   ` Scott Long
2004-03-17 21:35     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:45     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18  0:23       ` Scott Long
2004-03-18  1:55         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18  6:38         ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-20 13:07         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-21 23:42           ` Scott Long
2004-03-22  9:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-22 21:59               ` Scott Long
2004-03-22 22:22                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-23  6:48                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-18  1:56     ` viro

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