Re: implementing reiserfs in C++ for a new OS

["Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando" <gorlando@futuretg.com>]

Markus Törnqvist wrote:

>On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 10:10:16AM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
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>>>The reason Bell got his product pushed to the market was that he
>>>could patent it first.
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>>False.
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>Why then?
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>Meucci did not have enough money to push it?
>So Meucci had bad luck, that's life, unfortunately.
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Meucci open the file for copyright before Bell, but seems it is 
necessary to renew each year.

Therefore, he don't renew.

The word "inventor" in the US, means generally "rich". This have another 
sense outside America, or
for immigrant people.

>>Also this is false. Also the idea behind is copyright. This is the 
>>invention and the copyright not the stupid code, in C or C++ ;-)
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>No it is not, at least not in Finland, and I'm pretty sure it's the
>same in all Europe and/or other countries.
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>http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/tekoik/tekoik.html#mita
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>Unfortunately that's in Finnish...
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>"Tekijänoikeus suojaa teoksen kirjallista tai muuta asua, ei asiasisältöä."
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>Copyright protects the literary or other presentation of a work, not the
>factual content.
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This is bad. The code or documentation explains the ideas, and must be 
copyright in the same mode
are the ideas itself.

>"Teoksessa esitetyn tiedon tai mielipiteen voi tekijänoikeuden estämättä
>esittää muualla omin sanoin."
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>The data or opinion in a work can be represented elsewhere in own words
>without copyright preventing it.
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>"Tekijänoikeuslaki ei tällöin aseta edes vaatimusta lähteen ilmoittamisesta."
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>In this case copyright law does not even force you to give out the source.
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>Also http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/tekoik/tekoik.html#moroik
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>"Tekijänoikeuteen sisältyy myös ns. moraalisia oikeuksia."
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>Copyright includes also so-called moral rights.
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>"Niihin sisältyy, että teoskappaleissa tai teosta esitettäessä on tekijä
>ilmoitettava (isyysoikeus) ja että teosta ei saa muuttaa "tekijän kirjallista
>tai taiteellista arvoa tahi omalaatuisuutta loukkaavalla tavalla"
>(respektioikeus) (3 §)."
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>They include that when presenting items of the work (I wonder if that means
>more like copies of the work..) or the work the original maker must be
>noted (paternityright) and the work may not be changed 'in a way that insults
>the makers literary or artistic value or uniqueness' (respect right)
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>>I want to tell you more. In the year 2000, at Comdex. I introduce the 
>>FTKernelConfigurator idea, my idea.
>>I introduce to granroth and other people from KDE. Well, after some time 
>>appears magically the kernel configurator
>>inside the Kcontrol.
>>I suppose they stole my idea, and for me is logical. I don't yet find 
>>the time, to write the code for FTKernelConfiguator, but I will do.
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>But they did not really do anything wrong. If you had really forbidden
>them from doing this, they might not have done it, but it's always
>reasonable doubt that they invented the idea themselves.
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>I have no idea what FTKernelConfigurator is supposed to do, but I gather
>it's an interface for configuring the kernel?
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Yes. Actually today it is also possible to configure the kernel 
graphically, but my idea is better.

I need time that I have no actually.

>Surely this is not an idea to be held sovereignly for oneself.
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>>I meet him before Comdex 2000. He comment to me a great true: "Don't 
>>comment, or they will take".
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>Yeah, if you wan't to keep a secret, keep it secret.
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>>Easy.
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>Indeed.
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>>  * At first, the truth is ethrnal. It is not important how bastard 
>>you are and how tricks you apply. The truth, is ethernal, is one, and never
>>      can be overwrite. You can only hide the truth, temporarely.
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>Yes, but I fail to see how this applies exactly.
>No one is trying to lie here.
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>If someone stole your idea, or implemented it before you, it's not
>a lie.
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>It's also hard to steal an idea that you gave them first.
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If you comment to KDE people something that does not exist, and after 
your comment exist something similar
you need simply do a small sum: 2+2.

Be stoled by someone that re-offer it under GPL your idea, cause some 
bad humor.

>>  * At second, because here all is clear, public. I expect the minimal 
>>respect that goes to the owner and inventor. It is a question
>>     of class and necessary morality. The Stallman GNU Public License 
>>warrants this morality to the owner.
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>I'm, of course, not against respect here.
>But the respect should not be ordered by the law, it could easily
>lead into the patent mess that reigns in the USA.
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>Respect should come from respecting someone else.
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In 1987 or so, Chinese and people for Taiwan and Japan go around the 
world and comment:
"We will copy your product and do it better". Today, Taiwan and Japan is 
probably the best
place for electronic components worldwide.

Different companies here in Italy, about manufacturing suffering some 
fraud from Chinese companies
that re-produce the hardware for car testing and stole the clients. Do 
will someone open a case on China
for copyright contacting chinese attorneys?. Very complex and expensive.

I see the entire software industry going to disaster because some young 
boy release a similar program
at no cost. No one may compete with free. In any this is a complex 
global problem.

>>  * The third and last point is that you can run in false mode, also 
>>for years, and stole the software, the onwer will re-create
>>     and will re-invent almost in ethernal mode. The movie 'Tron' 
>>offers a nice underline mode to these facts.
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>I must confess I haven't seen Tron...
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You don't know Tron, because probably you are too young.

Tron was made by Walt Disney (Buena ventura). It is dated 1982.

Check at Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005OCMR/qid=1092217246/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/102-0873987-4980163?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

Jeff Bridges, a young programmer in a small company was stoled by its 
game program. A friend of him write a program
that inspect information, and also some time ... the owner of the 
company was fired because he claim to be the author
of the game and Jeff Bridge then get the 'expected' money and respect.

I have this movie and like it. Also it is copyright :-)

Thanks,
Giovanni

>Sure, it's called competition.
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>Also most of the time if your secret leaks out, and it's an important
>secret, it leaks out when you have developed it far enough that it's
>stupid to compete with you.
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>It is also true that often secrets come in the way of advancement,
>co-operation and collaboration are the way to go.
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