From: Ray Bryant <raybry@sgi.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
riel@redhat.com, piggin@cyberone.com.au
Subject: Re: swapping and the value of /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:54:10 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <413F6362.6000001@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5860000.1094664673@flay>
Martin J. Bligh wrote:
>>It seems to me that the 5% number in there is more or less arbitrary.
>>If we are on a big memory Altix (4 TB), 5% of memory would be 200 GB.
>>That is a lot of page cache.
>
>
> For HPC, maybe. For a fileserver, it might be far too little. That's the
> trouble ... it's all dependant on the workload. Personally, I'd prefer
> to get rid of manual tweakables (which are a pain in the ass in the field
> anyway), and try to have the kernel react to what the customer is doing.
> I guess we can leave them there for overrides, but a self-tunable default
> would be most desirable.
>
I agree that tunables are a pain in the butt, but a quick fix would to be at
least to add that 5% to the set of stuff settable in /proc/sys/vm. Most
workloads/systems won't need to change it. Very large Altix systems could
change it if needed.
I don't think that is at the root of the swappiness problems with
2.6.9-rc1-mm3, though.
> For instance, would be nice if we started doing writeback to the spindles
> that weren't busy much earlier than if the disks were thrashing.
>
> M.
>
>
--
Best Regards,
Ray
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Ray Bryant
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The box said: "Requires Windows 98 or better",
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From: Ray Bryant <raybry@sgi.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
riel@redhat.com, piggin@cyberone.com.au
Subject: Re: swapping and the value of /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:54:10 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <413F6362.6000001@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5860000.1094664673@flay>
Martin J. Bligh wrote:
>>It seems to me that the 5% number in there is more or less arbitrary.
>>If we are on a big memory Altix (4 TB), 5% of memory would be 200 GB.
>>That is a lot of page cache.
>
>
> For HPC, maybe. For a fileserver, it might be far too little. That's the
> trouble ... it's all dependant on the workload. Personally, I'd prefer
> to get rid of manual tweakables (which are a pain in the ass in the field
> anyway), and try to have the kernel react to what the customer is doing.
> I guess we can leave them there for overrides, but a self-tunable default
> would be most desirable.
>
I agree that tunables are a pain in the butt, but a quick fix would to be at
least to add that 5% to the set of stuff settable in /proc/sys/vm. Most
workloads/systems won't need to change it. Very large Altix systems could
change it if needed.
I don't think that is at the root of the swappiness problems with
2.6.9-rc1-mm3, though.
> For instance, would be nice if we started doing writeback to the spindles
> that weren't busy much earlier than if the disks were thrashing.
>
> M.
>
>
--
Best Regards,
Ray
-----------------------------------------------
Ray Bryant
512-453-9679 (work) 512-507-7807 (cell)
raybry@sgi.com raybry@austin.rr.com
The box said: "Requires Windows 98 or better",
so I installed Linux.
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Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-09-06 19:11 swapping and the value of /proc/sys/vm/swappiness Ray Bryant
2004-09-06 20:10 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 20:10 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 21:22 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-06 21:22 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-06 21:36 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 21:36 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 22:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-06 22:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-06 23:51 ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-06 23:51 ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-07 0:31 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-07 0:31 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-06 22:48 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-06 22:48 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-06 23:09 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-06 23:09 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-06 23:27 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 23:27 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 23:34 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-06 23:34 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-07 0:03 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-07 0:03 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-07 1:34 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-07 1:34 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-07 10:38 ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-07 10:38 ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-07 10:56 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-08 16:45 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 16:45 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-09 1:12 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-07 17:03 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-07 17:03 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-07 21:20 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-07 21:20 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 2:18 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 2:18 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 14:20 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 16:54 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 16:54 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 19:35 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 19:35 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 19:30 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 19:30 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-09 3:06 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09 3:06 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09 2:14 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-09 2:14 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-09 14:21 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09 14:21 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09 3:09 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-09 3:09 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-09 14:16 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09 17:23 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-09 17:23 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-28 1:54 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-28 3:36 ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-28 3:36 ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-29 0:36 ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-29 4:23 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-29 4:23 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-30 17:15 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-30 17:15 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 17:31 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 17:31 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 18:04 ` Rik van Riel
2004-09-08 18:04 ` Rik van Riel
2004-09-08 19:50 ` Diego Calleja
2004-09-08 19:50 ` Diego Calleja
2004-09-08 21:10 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 21:10 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 21:55 ` Diego Calleja
2004-09-08 21:55 ` Diego Calleja
2004-09-08 22:20 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 22:20 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 23:22 ` Rik van Riel
2004-09-08 23:22 ` Rik van Riel
2004-09-09 16:26 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-09-08 22:28 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-08 22:28 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-08 23:42 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 23:42 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 19:54 ` Ray Bryant [this message]
2004-09-08 19:54 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 15:19 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 15:19 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-14 18:31 ` Florin Andrei
2004-09-14 20:15 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-14 22:53 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-14 21:41 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-15 0:22 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-16 18:50 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-17 0:22 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-15 16:54 ` Florin Andrei
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