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From: Ray Bryant <raybry@sgi.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	riel@redhat.com, piggin@cyberone.com.au
Subject: Re: swapping and the value of /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:54:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <413F6362.6000001@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5860000.1094664673@flay>



Martin J. Bligh wrote:
>>It seems to me that the 5% number in there is more or less arbitrary. 
>>If we are on a big memory Altix (4 TB), 5% of memory would be 200 GB. 
>>That is a lot of page cache.
> 
> 
> For HPC, maybe. For a fileserver, it might be far too little. That's the
> trouble ... it's all dependant on the workload. Personally, I'd prefer
> to get rid of manual tweakables (which are a pain in the ass in the field
> anyway), and try to have the kernel react to what the customer is doing.
> I guess we can leave them there for overrides, but a self-tunable default
> would be most desirable.
> 

I agree that tunables are a pain in the butt, but a quick fix would to be at 
least to add that 5% to the set of stuff settable in /proc/sys/vm.  Most
workloads/systems won't need to change it.  Very large Altix systems could 
change it if needed.

I don't think that is at the root of the swappiness problems with 
2.6.9-rc1-mm3, though.

> For instance, would be nice if we started doing writeback to the spindles
> that weren't busy much earlier than if the disks were thrashing.
> 
> M.
> 
> 

-- 
Best Regards,
Ray
-----------------------------------------------
                   Ray Bryant
512-453-9679 (work)         512-507-7807 (cell)
raybry@sgi.com             raybry@austin.rr.com
The box said: "Requires Windows 98 or better",
            so I installed Linux.
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From: Ray Bryant <raybry@sgi.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	riel@redhat.com, piggin@cyberone.com.au
Subject: Re: swapping and the value of /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:54:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <413F6362.6000001@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5860000.1094664673@flay>


Martin J. Bligh wrote:
>>It seems to me that the 5% number in there is more or less arbitrary. 
>>If we are on a big memory Altix (4 TB), 5% of memory would be 200 GB. 
>>That is a lot of page cache.
> 
> 
> For HPC, maybe. For a fileserver, it might be far too little. That's the
> trouble ... it's all dependant on the workload. Personally, I'd prefer
> to get rid of manual tweakables (which are a pain in the ass in the field
> anyway), and try to have the kernel react to what the customer is doing.
> I guess we can leave them there for overrides, but a self-tunable default
> would be most desirable.
> 

I agree that tunables are a pain in the butt, but a quick fix would to be at 
least to add that 5% to the set of stuff settable in /proc/sys/vm.  Most
workloads/systems won't need to change it.  Very large Altix systems could 
change it if needed.

I don't think that is at the root of the swappiness problems with 
2.6.9-rc1-mm3, though.

> For instance, would be nice if we started doing writeback to the spindles
> that weren't busy much earlier than if the disks were thrashing.
> 
> M.
> 
> 

-- 
Best Regards,
Ray
-----------------------------------------------
                   Ray Bryant
512-453-9679 (work)         512-507-7807 (cell)
raybry@sgi.com             raybry@austin.rr.com
The box said: "Requires Windows 98 or better",
            so I installed Linux.
-----------------------------------------------

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-09-08 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-06 19:11 swapping and the value of /proc/sys/vm/swappiness Ray Bryant
2004-09-06 20:10 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 20:10   ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 21:22   ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-06 21:22     ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-06 21:36     ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 21:36       ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 22:37     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-06 22:37       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-06 23:51       ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-06 23:51         ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-07  0:31         ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-07  0:31           ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-06 22:48 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-06 22:48   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-06 23:09 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-06 23:09   ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-06 23:27   ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 23:27     ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 23:34     ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-06 23:34       ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-07  0:03       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-07  0:03         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-07  1:34         ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-07  1:34           ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-07 10:38         ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-07 10:38           ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-07 10:56           ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-08 16:45             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 16:45               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-09  1:12               ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-07 17:03           ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-07 17:03             ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-07 21:20         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-07 21:20           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08  2:18           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08  2:18             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 14:20           ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 16:54             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 16:54               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 19:35               ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 19:35                 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 19:30                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 19:30                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-09  3:06                   ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09  3:06                     ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09  2:14                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-09  2:14                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-09 14:21                       ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09 14:21                         ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09  3:09                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-09  3:09                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-09 14:16                       ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09 17:23                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-09 17:23                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-28  1:54                       ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-28  3:36                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-28  3:36                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-29  0:36                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-29  4:23                             ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-29  4:23                               ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-30 17:15                             ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-30 17:15                               ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 17:31             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 17:31               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 18:04               ` Rik van Riel
2004-09-08 18:04                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-09-08 19:50                 ` Diego Calleja
2004-09-08 19:50                   ` Diego Calleja
2004-09-08 21:10                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 21:10                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 21:55                     ` Diego Calleja
2004-09-08 21:55                       ` Diego Calleja
2004-09-08 22:20                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 22:20                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 23:22                         ` Rik van Riel
2004-09-08 23:22                           ` Rik van Riel
2004-09-09 16:26                         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-09-08 22:28                     ` Alan Cox
2004-09-08 22:28                       ` Alan Cox
2004-09-08 23:42                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 23:42                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 19:54               ` Ray Bryant [this message]
2004-09-08 19:54                 ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 15:19           ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 15:19             ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-14 18:31     ` Florin Andrei
2004-09-14 20:15       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-14 22:53         ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-14 21:41           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-15  0:22             ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-16 18:50               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-17  0:22                 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-15 16:54         ` Florin Andrei

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