Reiser4 support on parted program ...

Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

Hi,

    Have some implemented the Reiser4 support on the program 'parted'?

    Parted is available from http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/
    Download from: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/parted/

    If yes, please send the the link.

    If, no will we will implement immediately.

Thanks,
Giovanni

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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[David Masover]

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Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
| Hi,
|
|    Have some implemented the Reiser4 support on the program 'parted'?
[...]
|    If yes, please send the the link.

Don't know.

|    If, no will we will implement immediately.

Thanks, but I bet it's harder than you think.  I don't know if there's a
resizing program yet.  At least the repacker is done.
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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

David Masover wrote:

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> Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
> | Hi,
> |
> |    Have some implemented the Reiser4 support on the program 'parted'?
> [...]
> |    If yes, please send the the link.
>
> Don't know.
>
> |    If, no will we will implement immediately.
>
> Thanks, but I bet it's harder than you think.  I don't know if there's a
> resizing program yet.  At least the repacker is done.


I have no choices. We need this source and therefore we will produce
otherwise we cannot release the OS version.

Seems easy.

Thanks,
Giovanni

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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Alex Zarochentsev]

Hello!

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:03:55AM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
> David Masover wrote:
> 
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> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
> >| Hi,
> >|
> >|    Have some implemented the Reiser4 support on the program 'parted'?
> >[...]
> >|    If yes, please send the the link.
> >
> >Don't know.
> >
> >|    If, no will we will implement immediately.
> >
> >Thanks, but I bet it's harder than you think.  I don't know if there's a
> >resizing program yet.  At least the repacker is done.
> 
> 
> I have no choices. We need this source and therefore we will produce
> otherwise we cannot release the OS version.
> 
> Seems easy.

libreiser4 / libaal are made to support parted easier.
resizing program is not done.

> Thanks,
> Giovanni
> 
 

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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Yury Umanets]

Alex Zarochentsev wrote:

>Hello!
>
>On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:03:55AM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>  
>
>>David Masover wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>>Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>>>| Hi,
>>>|
>>>|    Have some implemented the Reiser4 support on the program 'parted'?
>>>[...]
>>>|    If yes, please send the the link.
>>>
>>>Don't know.
>>>
>>>|    If, no will we will implement immediately.
>>>
>>>Thanks, but I bet it's harder than you think.  I don't know if there's a
>>>resizing program yet.  At least the repacker is done.
>>>      
>>>
>>I have no choices. We need this source and therefore we will produce
>>otherwise we cannot release the OS version.
>>
>>Seems easy.
>>    
>>
>
>libreiser4 / libaal are made to support parted easier.
>resizing program is not done.
>  
>
Alex is right in both. To add such a support one should write resizing 
stuff in libreiser4 first. Then write glue code in parted. IMHO both are 
not so difficult. Probably Vitaly or Alex self could do that in week 
(may be few days).

The only problem Hans seems does not want such a support or does not 
count it as somethinf serious attention should be paid to :(

Thanks.

>  
>
>>Thanks,
>>Giovanni
>>
>>    
>>
> 
>
>  
>


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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[mjt]

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 04:17:48PM +0300, Yury Umanets wrote:
>Alex is right in both. To add such a support one should write resizing 
>stuff in libreiser4 first. Then write glue code in parted. IMHO both are 
>not so difficult. Probably Vitaly or Alex self could do that in week 
>(may be few days).

How long for Dr. Orlando and his crew in cooperation with Namesys?-)

>The only problem Hans seems does not want such a support or does not 
>count it as somethinf serious attention should be paid to :(

I think his followers would disagree ;)

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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Yury Umanets]

Markus Törnqvist wrote:

>On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 04:17:48PM +0300, Yury Umanets wrote:
>  
>
>>Alex is right in both. To add such a support one should write resizing 
>>stuff in libreiser4 first. Then write glue code in parted. IMHO both are 
>>not so difficult. Probably Vitaly or Alex self could do that in week 
>>(may be few days).
>>    
>>
>
>How long for Dr. Orlando and his crew in cooperation with Namesys?-)
>  
>
Have no idea :) I do not know anything about Dr. Orlando and his crew.
Suff itself is not difficult, as there is not tree modifications, etc.

Rough sequence is like this:

(1) make sure, that there is no not replied transactions.

(2) tree traverse and move all nodes and unformatted blocks which do not 
fit to new range (new_start - new_end) one by one to new area. Block 
allocator info should be updated on this stage too.

(3) update some fields in super block. Probably one more update of block 
allocator.

The framework for all these actions exists in libreiser4.

Parted's part is trivial -- just follow the API.

>  
>
>>The only problem Hans seems does not want such a support or does not 
>>count it as somethinf serious attention should be paid to :(
>>    
>>
>
>I think his followers would disagree ;)
>
>  
>


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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

Yury Umanets wrote:

> Markus Törnqvist wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 04:17:48PM +0300, Yury Umanets wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> Alex is right in both. To add such a support one should write 
>>> resizing stuff in libreiser4 first. Then write glue code in parted. 
>>> IMHO both are not so difficult. Probably Vitaly or Alex self could 
>>> do that in week (may be few days).
>>>   
>>
>>
>> How long for Dr. Orlando and his crew in cooperation with Namesys?-)
>>  
>>
Hi,

    FTOSX adopt ReiserFS four years ago, before ReiserFS enter in the 
Kernel.

    All three and next editions of FTOSX, had been made by me, like examples
    of the Personal Operating System.

    I will dedicate to solve the parted problem on the weekend, because 
I am busy
    with other tasks actually.

    As soon the installer works fine supporting Reiser4, including 
parted support
    it, I will comment in this mailing list, and offer for free donwload.

Thanks,
Giovanni

> Have no idea :) I do not know anything about Dr. Orlando and his crew.
> Suff itself is not difficult, as there is not tree modifications, etc.
>
> Rough sequence is like this:
>
> (1) make sure, that there is no not replied transactions.
>
> (2) tree traverse and move all nodes and unformatted blocks which do 
> not fit to new range (new_start - new_end) one by one to new area. 
> Block allocator info should be updated on this stage too.
>
> (3) update some fields in super block. Probably one more update of 
> block allocator.
>
> The framework for all these actions exists in libreiser4.
>
> Parted's part is trivial -- just follow the API.
>
>>  
>>
>>> The only problem Hans seems does not want such a support or does not 
>>> count it as somethinf serious attention should be paid to :(
>>>   
>>
>>
>> I think his followers would disagree ;)
>>
>>  
>>
>
>


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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Hans Reiser]

Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:

>
>
>    As soon the installer works fine supporting Reiser4, including 
> parted support
>    it, I will comment in this mailing list, and offer for free donwload.
>
Reiser4 resizer is not ready for prime time, and like pseudos, should 
not have been enabled before it was tested.  We are going to send in a 
patch to turn it off until it is debugged.

Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

Hans Reiser wrote:

> Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>    As soon the installer works fine supporting Reiser4, including 
>> parted support
>>    it, I will comment in this mailing list, and offer for free donwload.
>>
> Reiser4 resizer is not ready for prime time, and like pseudos, should 
> not have been enabled before it was tested.  We are going to send in a 
> patch to turn it off until it is debugged.
>
Hi,

    The inclusion of Reiser4 support does not means the support or 
release of reiser4 resize features.

    These are separate things.

Thanks,
Giovanni

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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Yury Umanets]

Hans Reiser wrote:

> Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>    As soon the installer works fine supporting Reiser4, including 
>> parted support
>>    it, I will comment in this mailing list, and offer for free donwload.
>>
> Reiser4 resizer is not ready for prime time, and like pseudos, should 
> not have been enabled before it was tested.  We are going to send in a 
> patch to turn it off until it is debugged.

hello Hans,

I suspect, that Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando meant offline resizer which 
should be in utils. Not online resizer-repacker...

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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

Yury Umanets wrote:

> Hans Reiser wrote:
>
>> Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    As soon the installer works fine supporting Reiser4, including 
>>> parted support
>>>    it, I will comment in this mailing list, and offer for free 
>>> donwload.
>>>
>> Reiser4 resizer is not ready for prime time, and like pseudos, should 
>> not have been enabled before it was tested.  We are going to send in 
>> a patch to turn it off until it is debugged.
>
>
> hello Hans,
>
> I suspect, that Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando meant offline resizer which 
> should be in utils. Not online resizer-repacker...
>
Actually, we want that reiser4 is supported inside parted program. 
Nothing else.

I don't think this support will enable any other support like 
reiser4-resize.

Thanks,
Giovanni

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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Yury Umanets]

Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:

> Yury Umanets wrote:
>
>> Hans Reiser wrote:
>>
>>> Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    As soon the installer works fine supporting Reiser4, including 
>>>> parted support
>>>>    it, I will comment in this mailing list, and offer for free 
>>>> donwload.
>>>>
>>> Reiser4 resizer is not ready for prime time, and like pseudos, 
>>> should not have been enabled before it was tested.  We are going to 
>>> send in a patch to turn it off until it is debugged.
>>
>>
>>
>> hello Hans,
>>
>> I suspect, that Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando meant offline resizer which 
>> should be in utils. Not online resizer-repacker...
>>
> Actually, we want that reiser4 is supported inside parted program. 
> Nothing else.
>
> I don't think this support will enable any other support like 
> reiser4-resize.

One of options provided by parted is offline resizing though...

>
> Thanks,
> Giovanni
>


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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Sami Samhuri]

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* On Wed Sep-15-2004 at 04:20:13 PM +0300, Markus T?rnqvist said:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 04:17:48PM +0300, Yury Umanets wrote:
[resize support for reiser4]
> >The only problem Hans seems does not want such a support or does not 
> >count it as somethinf serious attention should be paid to :(
> 
> I think his followers would disagree ;)

This is certainly true. The FS is stable enough for my use, but I won't
use it for anything except temporary partitions (/tmp /var/tmp
/usr/portage) because if I need to resize I have to recreate. It makes
LVM so pointless.

I have also seen people mention that the lack of resizing capabilities
is a major roadblock for them to adopt reiser4.

I can completely understand working out bugs first; however, apart from
that I believe it should be given quite high priority.

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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[mjt]

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:42:05AM -0700, Sami Samhuri wrote:
>I have also seen people mention that the lack of resizing capabilities
>is a major roadblock for them to adopt reiser4.

Well, quotas are more common imo, but they shouldn't be difficult either.

Best of luck with the resizer anyway, Dr. Orlando's team and the community 
will test it even if Namesys disables it by default :)

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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

Yury Umanets wrote:

> Alex Zarochentsev wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:03:55AM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> David Masover wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>>>> | Hi,
>>>> |
>>>> |    Have some implemented the Reiser4 support on the program 
>>>> 'parted'?
>>>> [...]
>>>> |    If yes, please send the the link.
>>>>
>>>> Don't know.
>>>>
>>>> |    If, no will we will implement immediately.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, but I bet it's harder than you think.  I don't know if 
>>>> there's a
>>>> resizing program yet.  At least the repacker is done.
>>>>     
>>>
>>> I have no choices. We need this source and therefore we will produce
>>> otherwise we cannot release the OS version.
>>>
>>> Seems easy.
>>>   
>>
>>
>> libreiser4 / libaal are made to support parted easier.
>> resizing program is not done.
>>  
>>
> Alex is right in both. To add such a support one should write resizing 
> stuff in libreiser4 first. Then write glue code in parted. IMHO both 
> are not so difficult. Probably Vitaly or Alex self could do that in 
> week (may be few days).
>
> The only problem Hans seems does not want such a support or does not 
> count it as somethinf serious attention should be paid to :(

I agree. However, is not too much complicated.

Thanks,
Giovanni

>
> Thanks.
>
>>  
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Giovanni
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>
>


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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

Alex Zarochentsev wrote:

>Hello!
>
>On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:03:55AM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>  
>
>>David Masover wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>>Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>>>| Hi,
>>>|
>>>|    Have some implemented the Reiser4 support on the program 'parted'?
>>>[...]
>>>|    If yes, please send the the link.
>>>
>>>Don't know.
>>>
>>>|    If, no will we will implement immediately.
>>>
>>>Thanks, but I bet it's harder than you think.  I don't know if there's a
>>>resizing program yet.  At least the repacker is done.
>>>      
>>>
>>I have no choices. We need this source and therefore we will produce
>>otherwise we cannot release the OS version.
>>
>>Seems easy.
>>    
>>
>
>libreiser4 / libaal are made to support parted easier.
>resizing program is not done.
>  
>
Yes. I check this matter yesterday.

Past parted versions needs only to build the library, however I need to 
inspect in depth.

I suspect that I need to write the code :-( .

I will survive.

Thanks,
Giovanni

>  
>
>>Thanks,
>>Giovanni
>>
>>    
>>
> 
>
>  
>


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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Andrew Clausen]

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 05:17:44PM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
> >libreiser4 / libaal are made to support parted easier.
> >resizing program is not done.
>
> Yes. I check this matter yesterday.
> 
> I suspect that I need to write the code :-( .
> 
> I will survive.

Yeah, I don't really have time at the moment to look at this.
I'm accepting patches ;)  Feel free to ask for help...

Cheers,
Andrew

Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Yury Umanets]

Andrew Clausen wrote:

>On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 05:17:44PM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>  
>
>>>libreiser4 / libaal are made to support parted easier.
>>>resizing program is not done.
>>>      
>>>
>>Yes. I check this matter yesterday.
>>
>>I suspect that I need to write the code :-( .
>>
>>I will survive.
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah, I don't really have time at the moment to look at this.
>I'm accepting patches ;)  Feel free to ask for help...
>
>Cheers,
>Andrew
>  
>
Hello Andrew,

I remember, that you personaly and ppl from parted comunity helped me 
very much. So, I guess, it will be not a problem to add such a support 
to parted after resizing, copying code in libreiser4 is ready ;)

BTW, mkfs, fsck, etc. support (probably all but resize and copy) can be 
added anytime...

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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

Yury Umanets wrote:

> Andrew Clausen wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 05:17:44PM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>> libreiser4 / libaal are made to support parted easier.
>>>> resizing program is not done.
>>>>     
>>>
>>> Yes. I check this matter yesterday.
>>>
>>> I suspect that I need to write the code :-( .
>>>
>>> I will survive.
>>>   
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I don't really have time at the moment to look at this.
>> I'm accepting patches ;)  Feel free to ask for help...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrew
>>  
>>
> Hello Andrew,
>
> I remember, that you personaly and ppl from parted comunity helped me 
> very much. So, I guess, it will be not a problem to add such a support 
> to parted after resizing, copying code in libreiser4 is ready ;)
>
> BTW, mkfs, fsck, etc. support (probably all but resize and copy) can 
> be added anytime...
>
Hi,

    If you can wait until Saturday morning ... will be better.

    I expect to have time for this next saturday.

Thanks,
Giovanni

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Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Yury Umanets]

Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:

> Yury Umanets wrote:
>
>> Andrew Clausen wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 05:17:44PM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>>>> libreiser4 / libaal are made to support parted easier.
>>>>> resizing program is not done.
>>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I check this matter yesterday.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that I need to write the code :-( .
>>>>
>>>> I will survive.
>>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I don't really have time at the moment to look at this.
>>> I'm accepting patches ;)  Feel free to ask for help...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrew
>>>  
>>>
>> Hello Andrew,
>>
>> I remember, that you personaly and ppl from parted comunity helped me 
>> very much. So, I guess, it will be not a problem to add such a 
>> support to parted after resizing, copying code in libreiser4 is ready ;)
>>
>> BTW, mkfs, fsck, etc. support (probably all but resize and copy) can 
>> be added anytime...
>>
> Hi,
>
>    If you can wait until Saturday morning ... will be better.
>
>    I expect to have time for this next saturday.
>
> Thanks,
> Giovanni
>
Hey, I'm always here :) I do not need to wait for something... If my 
help will be needed, just let me know.

Thanks.

-- 
umka

Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

Andrew Clausen wrote:

>On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 05:17:44PM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>  
>
>>>libreiser4 / libaal are made to support parted easier.
>>>resizing program is not done.
>>>      
>>>
>>Yes. I check this matter yesterday.
>>
>>I suspect that I need to write the code :-( .
>>
>>I will survive.
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah, I don't really have time at the moment to look at this.
>I'm accepting patches ;)  Feel free to ask for help...
>
>  
>
Thanks. If sucessfull I will complete my monday, I think.

Thanks,
Giovanni

>Cheers,
>Andrew
>
>  
>


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