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From: KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: SELinux Mail List <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>, kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com
Subject: Re: [RFC & PATCH] inherited type definition.
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:26:15 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4235C937.3030404@kaigai.gr.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1110808202.21378.51.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>

Hello, Thanks for your comments.

> 1) Should the child domain inherit all rules that involved the parent
> domain at all, or only rules where the parent domain was the
> source/subject in the rule?  It looks like you have chosen the former,
> but this means that any domain that can act on the parent domain can act
> in the same manner on the child domain directly; not clear that this is
> always what you want.

In my patch, child domain/type inherit all rules including target/object
and area of ROLE clearly, not only source/subject.
(Those source/target is also included in TYPE_TRANSITION statements.)
Any permissions to parent means permissions to child/descendant concurrently.


> 2) Should the child domain inherit rules between the parent and the
> child, i.e. should the child be able to do anything to itself that the
> parent can do to it?  It looks like you are inheriting such rules, but
> is this always desirable, e.g. the parent may need permissions to set up
> the child, control it, kill it, etc that the child may not need to
> itself.

When parent has permissions to himself, child also has permissions to his
parent and himself(child). In my patch, to inherit type/domain always expand
descendant's permissions. I intend to define a child type/domain which has
tiny larger permission than own parent low cost.

I think definition of reductive permission child-type/domain is the next
action assignment. If child does not need a part of the parent's permissions,
those should be revoked by DENY statement for example.


> 3) What should happen with rules between the parent and itself?  It
> looks like you are translating "self" rules to only involve the child
> and its descendants, but this would still mean that any explicit rule of
> the form "allow parent_t parent_t:process sigkill;" would be inherited
> by the child, i.e. "allow child_t parent_t:process sigkill;", right?

It's a bit wrong.
When child_t inherit parent_t, "allow parent_t parent_t:process sigkill;"
is unrolled to "allow {parent_t child_t} {parent_t child_t}:process sigkill;"
The number of conbination is 4.

"allow parent_t self:process sigkill;" is unrolled as follows:
  "allow parent_t parent_t:process sigkill;"
  "allow parent_t child_t:process  sigkill;"
  "allow child_t  child_t:process  sigkill;"

child_t is dealt as self-domain from parent_t's viewpoint.
But parent_t is not dealed as self-domain from child_t's viewpoint,
because child_t has divaricated from parent_t yet.

This is my opinion, others may have different aspect to 'self'.
We should collect up how to deal 'self' on type-inheritance-tree, I think.


> 4) What should happen with transition rules that involve the parent?  In
> some cases, you will likely want to inherit them, but in others, you may
> want the child to transition to a separate derived domain from the one
> used by the parent.

parent_t/child_t shares same transition rule for same exec type.
Maybe, any kind of overriding semantics is necessary.

Thanks.
-- 
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KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-14 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-13 16:36 [RFC & PATCH] inherited type definition KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-14 13:17 ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-14 13:50 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-14 15:13   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-14 15:22     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-14 16:01       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-14 19:27         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-03-14 20:10         ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-14 17:26   ` KaiGai Kohei [this message]
2005-03-14 18:10     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-14 18:25     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-15 11:50       ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-15 14:42         ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-16  4:42           ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-16 10:00             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-16 14:05             ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-17  9:32               ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-17 13:55                 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-17 14:57                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-21 10:07                     ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-21 15:59                       ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-23  8:17                         ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-23 13:56                           ` Stephen Smalley
2005-04-16  7:31                             ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-04-18 12:25                               ` Stephen Smalley
2005-04-18 16:57                                 ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-24 11:06                           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-24 12:34                             ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-04-06 12:49         ` Russell Coker
2005-04-06 14:50           ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-04-06 15:30             ` Russell Coker
2005-04-06 18:23               ` Jim McCullough
2005-04-07  2:16               ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-04-06 17:55             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-14 16:38 ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-15 11:47   ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-15 14:00     ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-16  4:35       ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-16 10:13         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-16 21:46           ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-16 21:31         ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-17 13:05           ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-17 19:15             ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-17 20:07               ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-17 21:41                 ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-18 13:13                   ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-18 13:56                     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-18 22:28                     ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-18 23:03                       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-20 23:20                         ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-21  0:17                           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-21 13:39                             ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-22  0:14                               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-22 13:53                                 ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-24 11:04                                   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-24 12:31                                     ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-24 22:19                                       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-24 22:27                                     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

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