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From: Kaigai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>
To: Karl MacMillan <kmacmillan@tresys.com>
Cc: "'KaiGai Kohei'" <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>,
	"'SELinux Mail List'" <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	selinux-dev@tresys.com
Subject: Re: [RFC & PATCH] inherited type definition.
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:05:48 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <423980AC.60409@ak.jp.nec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200503162131.j2GLVU8R025568@gotham.columbia.tresys.com>

Hello,

 > I'm not certain that you understand my objection. I'm not suggesting that your
 > patch conflicts with this idea, I think that we should not make this type of
 > language change unless it address a broad set of issues, which to me includes
 > this group of types usage scenario. The EXTENDS syntax seems, to me, to have a
 > fairly narrow usage similar to clone rules. The clone rules were ultimately
 > dropped so I don't think that we should go down that path again without major
 > additional advantages. In other words, I saying that I think handling the group
 > of types usage scenario is a requirement to this type of language extension.

There are some difference between the EXTENDS syntax and CLONE.
First, CLONE can't emulate multiple-parents inheritance. This is useful and
interresting character. Second, CLONE doesn't have a selective permission
grant syntax. I'm willing to implement selective permission grant syntax
such as '@' prefix.
What CLONE was dropped is not appropriate for the reason of this issue.

I feel this discussion fall into "discussion for discussion", so it's not
productive. You should make your target image clear, and express your modeling.
I can't compare practical functionality with vague images.

 > As I stated above, my example requires the attributes to be applied to
 > user/staff_ssh_t. This to me does not seem to be a major drawback - in fact it
 > gives more control to the policy author.

Needless to say, the EXTENDS syntax does not prevent to apply any attributes.
In addition, your approach may be harmless, but opportunity benefit
as union-filetype will be lost if EXTENDS syntax is denied.

BTW, If we can control the access permission between 'group of type' and
union-filetype, it may be so flexible.
i.e. "Right man in the right place"

Thanks,
--
DO NOTHING IS THE WORST POLICY.
KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-17 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-13 16:36 [RFC & PATCH] inherited type definition KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-14 13:17 ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-14 13:50 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-14 15:13   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-14 15:22     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-14 16:01       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-14 19:27         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-03-14 20:10         ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-14 17:26   ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-14 18:10     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-14 18:25     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-15 11:50       ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-15 14:42         ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-16  4:42           ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-16 10:00             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-16 14:05             ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-17  9:32               ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-17 13:55                 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-17 14:57                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-21 10:07                     ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-21 15:59                       ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-23  8:17                         ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-23 13:56                           ` Stephen Smalley
2005-04-16  7:31                             ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-04-18 12:25                               ` Stephen Smalley
2005-04-18 16:57                                 ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-24 11:06                           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-24 12:34                             ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-04-06 12:49         ` Russell Coker
2005-04-06 14:50           ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-04-06 15:30             ` Russell Coker
2005-04-06 18:23               ` Jim McCullough
2005-04-07  2:16               ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-04-06 17:55             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-14 16:38 ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-15 11:47   ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-03-15 14:00     ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-16  4:35       ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-16 10:13         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-16 21:46           ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-16 21:31         ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-17 13:05           ` Kaigai Kohei [this message]
2005-03-17 19:15             ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-17 20:07               ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-17 21:41                 ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-18 13:13                   ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-18 13:56                     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-03-18 22:28                     ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-18 23:03                       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-20 23:20                         ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-21  0:17                           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-21 13:39                             ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-22  0:14                               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-22 13:53                                 ` Karl MacMillan
2005-03-24 11:04                                   ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-24 12:31                                     ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-24 22:19                                       ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-03-24 22:27                                     ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

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