When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...

When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

Hi Everyone,

    Looking on the latest 2.6.11.4, I don't see yet Reiser4 officially 
included between the supported FS.

    Reiser4 had been released almost one year ago, and ... does not 
belong yet to the kernel?

    Hans, do you know some date for this?

    In the past Andrew Morton, did this job, I don't know who (if 
someone) are working on this matter.

    It is not fundamental, just a simple but important curiosity.

Thanks,
Giovanni.

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Re: When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...

[Vladimir Saveliev]

Hello

On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 22:38, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
>     Looking on the latest 2.6.11.4, I don't see yet Reiser4 officially 
> included between the supported FS.
> 
>     Reiser4 had been released almost one year ago, and ... does not 
> belong yet to the kernel?
> 
>     Hans, do you know some date for this?
> 
>     In the past Andrew Morton, did this job, I don't know who (if 
> someone) are working on this matter.
> 
>     It is not fundamental, just a simple but important curiosity.
> 

We are working to address lkml objections (they objected to core kernel
patches reiser4 relays on) and reiser4 stability.
When it is done (can not estimate, sorry) - then we will ask for
inclusion. 

> Thanks,
> Giovanni.
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Re: When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...

[James Courtier-Dutton]

Vladimir Saveliev wrote:
> Hello
> 
> On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 22:38, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
> 
>>Hi Everyone,
>>
>>    Looking on the latest 2.6.11.4, I don't see yet Reiser4 officially 
>>included between the supported FS.
>>
>>    Reiser4 had been released almost one year ago, and ... does not 
>>belong yet to the kernel?
>>
>>    Hans, do you know some date for this?
>>
>>    In the past Andrew Morton, did this job, I don't know who (if 
>>someone) are working on this matter.
>>
>>    It is not fundamental, just a simple but important curiosity.
>>
> 
> 
> We are working to address lkml objections (they objected to core kernel
> patches reiser4 relays on) and reiser4 stability.
> When it is done (can not estimate, sorry) - then we will ask for
> inclusion. 
> 
> 
>>Thanks,
>>Giovanni.
>>

What exactly did they object to? Are their objections easily addressed?

James

Re: When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

Vladimir Saveliev wrote:

>Hello
>
>On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 22:38, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>
>>    Looking on the latest 2.6.11.4, I don't see yet Reiser4 officially 
>>included between the supported FS.
>>
>>    Reiser4 had been released almost one year ago, and ... does not 
>>belong yet to the kernel?
>>
>>    Hans, do you know some date for this?
>>
>>    In the past Andrew Morton, did this job, I don't know who (if 
>>someone) are working on this matter.
>>
>>    It is not fundamental, just a simple but important curiosity.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>We are working to address lkml objections (they objected to core kernel
>patches reiser4 relays on) and reiser4 stability.
>When it is done (can not estimate, sorry) - then we will ask for
>inclusion. 
>
>  
>
Great! ... Please keep me updated.

Thanks,
Giovanni.

>>Thanks,
>>Giovanni.
>>
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Re: When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...

[Vladimir Saveliev]

Hello

On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 16:33, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:
> Vladimir Saveliev wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 22:38, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
> > 
> >>Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >>    Looking on the latest 2.6.11.4, I don't see yet Reiser4 officially 
> >>included between the supported FS.
> >>
> >>    Reiser4 had been released almost one year ago, and ... does not 
> >>belong yet to the kernel?
> >>
> >>    Hans, do you know some date for this?
> >>
> >>    In the past Andrew Morton, did this job, I don't know who (if 
> >>someone) are working on this matter.
> >>
> >>    It is not fundamental, just a simple but important curiosity.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > We are working to address lkml objections (they objected to core kernel
> > patches reiser4 relays on) and reiser4 stability.
> > When it is done (can not estimate, sorry) - then we will ask for
> > inclusion. 
> > 
> > 
> >>Thanks,
> >>Giovanni.
> >>
> 
> What exactly did they object to? Are their objections easily addressed?
> 

They were on principle against 
ftp://ftp.ru.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.12-rc3/2.6.12-rc3-mm2/broken-out/reiser4-allow-drop_inode-implementation.patch
ftp://ftp.ru.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.10-rc3/2.6.10-rc3-mm1/broken-out/reiser4-perthread-pages.patch
ftp://ftp.ru.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.12-rc3/2.6.12-rc3-mm2/broken-out/reiser4-export-inode_lock.patch

and few older patches.
We are currently trying to eliminate the need in
reiser4-export-inode_lock.patch which is the last of bad patches.

This one seems to be the hardest to get rid of.

> James
> 

Re: When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...

[Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando]

>They were on principle against 
>ftp://ftp.ru.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.12-rc3/2.6.12-rc3-mm2/broken-out/reiser4-allow-drop_inode-implementation.patch
>ftp://ftp.ru.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.10-rc3/2.6.10-rc3-mm1/broken-out/reiser4-perthread-pages.patch
>ftp://ftp.ru.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.12-rc3/2.6.12-rc3-mm2/broken-out/reiser4-export-inode_lock.patch
>
>and few older patches.
>We are currently trying to eliminate the need in
>reiser4-export-inode_lock.patch which is the last of bad patches.
>  
>
Hi,

    This is OK, however, what I am looking for is to download the Kernel 
from kernel.org, and found Reiser4 code inside. This means officially 
for me.

Thanks,
Giovanni.

>This one seems to be the hardest to get rid of.
>
>  
>
>>James
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>


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Re[2]: When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...

[Pysiak Satriani]

>     This is OK, however, what I am looking for is to download the Kernel
> from kernel.org, and found Reiser4 code inside. This means officially
> for me.
FYI, kernel.org does have patches with r4, eg.
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.12-rc3/2.6.12-rc3-mm2/2.6.12-rc3-mm2.bz2

When 2.6.12 comes up, you might want to take the next 2.6.12-mm1 or
the next 2.6.12 reiser patch from namesys.com

Anyway, I belive that the really important bugfixing and stabilizng will
happen when r4 is included and people will start using it.

Just look what merging FUSE did to it. Lots of rapid bugfixing
and stabilizng is going on. It might be that -mm is not enough for r4.

Best of luck with r4 hacking.

nb. don't you think that r4 is cool abbreviation for Reiser 4 ?

Regards,
Maciej

Re: Re[2]: When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...

[Valdis.Kletnieks]

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On Thu, 05 May 2005 00:38:54 +0200, Pysiak Satriani said:
> >     This is OK, however, what I am looking for is to download the Kernel
> > from kernel.org, and found Reiser4 code inside. This means officially
> > for me.
> FYI, kernel.org does have patches with r4, eg.
> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.12-rc3/2.6.12-rc3-mm2/2.6.12-rc3-mm2.bz2
> 
> When 2.6.12 comes up, you might want to take the next 2.6.12-mm1 or
> the next 2.6.12 reiser patch from namesys.com

Please do *NOT* run -mm kernels unless you are *sure* you know what you're
doing.  They are *literally* bleeding-edge test kernels, and *are* the most
likely things on the entire kernel.org server to hang, wedge, reformat your
disks and eat your data, and otherwise have a bad time with.

To repeat:  -mm are *TEST* kernels.  2.6.12-rc3-mm1 came out at 23:11 Friday.
2.6.12-rc3-mm2 came out at 16:43 the next day. Why? Umm.. let's just say
that it didn't even *compile* cleanly for uniprocessor X86... ;)  I've been
running -mm kernels on this laptop since 2.5.45-mm1 or so, and I'd estimate
that at *least* 1 in 4 hasn't even booted cleanly to multiuser without additional
patching and tweaking. In the last 31 -mms, I've needed 10 additional patches.
Think about that - since 2.6.9-rc2-mm1, there's been 31, and 10 needed patches.
Cool stuff if "Test Pilot" is part of your job description, but not what you
want to put on production boxes. ;)

If you're brave, you can pull the -broken-out variant and apply all the
reiser4-* patches in the order they're listed in the 'series' file - that
should work unless they depend on some other patch being applied first.

If you're willing to stress test new stuff, and are prepared to recover your
system from backups, go for it - Linus and Andrew want -rc and -mm kernels to
get more runtime.  But they're definitely *not* the "official" kernels that the
original poster wanted, which is usually called "mainline" or "Linus" kernels.

From where I'm sitting on the sidelines, Reiser4 *can't* make 2.6.12, is a long
shot for .13, and most likely will land somewhere around .14 to .16.  And I'm
going to predict there will be at least one more major bun fight on the lkml
list about pseudo-files before it gets in (sorry Hans, but I have to side with
the guys who said "Cool idea, but it really needs to be at the VFS level")...


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