From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Nikita Danilov <nikita@clusterfs.com>
Cc: Jonathan Briggs <jbriggs@esoft.com>,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
"Alexander G. M. Smith" <agmsmith@rogers.com>,
leocomerford@gmail.com, reiserfs-list@namesys.com,
ninja@slaphack.com, Nate Diller <ndiller@namesys.com>
Subject: Re: File as a directory - VFS Changes
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:08:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <42A52BE6.3000403@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17058.1217.672209.187032@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Nikita Danilov wrote:
>Hans Reiser writes:
> > Nikita Danilov wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >But cycles are "solvable" in current file systems too: they simply do
> > >not exist there.
> > >
> > >
> > Yes, but Nikita, cycles represent semantic functionality that has value
> > because being able to embody more expressions means more power of
>
>If you mean that multiple parents have some value, I agree. Problem is
>that solutions proposed so far have severe limitation:
>
> - they add support for cycle detection that is necessary to support
> multiple parents, but that support is only efficient for "small"
> datasets: when total number of objects is not very big, and "average"
> object has only one parent.
>
> - even when there are no multiple parents, system is not efficient for
> large number of files.
>
>
Can you say this in more detail?
> > expression. If some way can be found to allow them, then functionality
> > is increased. Separating links that increase reference count from links
> > that merely point (ala hard vs. sym links) is one approach. If there
> > was effective enough for real world use cycle detection, that would be
> > better.
>
>It seems to me that in the domains where proposed designs are
>applicable, symlinks already provide viable solution.
>
>
I have been thinking that disabling hard links for filedirectories might
be an acceptable solution for reiser4 if cycles are a deeper problem
than I currently appreciate. We can then allow people to turn off one
of either filedirectories or hard links. I would prefer solving the
cycles problem though....
>Nikita.
>
>
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-06-07 5:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-05-28 0:46 File as a directory - Ordered Relations Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-28 4:56 ` David Masover
2005-05-28 19:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-29 17:58 ` File as a directory - VFS Changes Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-30 8:25 ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-30 11:00 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-05-31 0:20 ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-31 9:34 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-05-31 15:04 ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-31 16:00 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-05-31 16:30 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-31 16:55 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-05-31 16:59 ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-31 17:13 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-05-31 18:27 ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-31 21:01 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-05-31 21:08 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-05-31 22:36 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-05-31 23:01 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-06-01 10:39 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-01 10:43 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-01 14:06 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-06-01 14:42 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-01 15:40 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-06-01 17:27 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-01 19:03 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-06-02 10:38 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-02 18:35 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-06-02 23:54 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-03 17:57 ` Hans Reiser
2005-06-04 19:45 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-04 20:13 ` David Masover
2005-06-07 5:08 ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2005-06-03 6:44 ` Faraz Ahmed
2005-05-31 18:23 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-05-31 18:32 ` Hans Reiser
2005-06-02 1:27 ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-06-02 7:46 ` Hans Reiser
2005-06-02 9:11 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-02 17:23 ` Hubert Chan
2005-06-01 2:11 ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-06-01 10:58 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-02 1:58 ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-06-02 10:03 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-03 3:35 ` Performance Impacts of Graph Cycles due to Multiple Parents Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-06-03 11:15 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-07 2:04 ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-30 8:19 ` File as a directory - Ordered Relations Hans Reiser
2005-05-31 16:46 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-05-31 17:07 ` Hans Reiser
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2005-06-02 14:46 File as a directory - VFS Changes Faraz Ahmed
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