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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Nikita Danilov <nikita@clusterfs.com>
Cc: Jonathan Briggs <jbriggs@esoft.com>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	"Alexander G. M. Smith" <agmsmith@rogers.com>,
	leocomerford@gmail.com, reiserfs-list@namesys.com,
	ninja@slaphack.com, Nate Diller <ndiller@namesys.com>
Subject: Re: File as a directory - VFS Changes
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:08:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42A52BE6.3000403@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17058.1217.672209.187032@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

Nikita Danilov wrote:

>Hans Reiser writes:
> > Nikita Danilov wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >But cycles are "solvable" in current file systems too: they simply do
> > >not exist there.
> > >  
> > >
> > Yes, but Nikita, cycles represent semantic functionality that has value
> > because being able to embody more expressions means more power of
>
>If you mean that multiple parents have some value, I agree. Problem is
>that solutions proposed so far have severe limitation:
>
> - they add support for cycle detection that is necessary to support
> multiple parents, but that support is only efficient for "small"
> datasets: when total number of objects is not very big, and "average"
> object has only one parent.
>
> - even when there are no multiple parents, system is not efficient for
> large number of files.
>  
>
Can you say this in more detail?

> > expression.  If some way can be found to allow them, then functionality
> > is increased. Separating links that increase reference count from links
> > that merely point (ala hard vs. sym links) is one approach.  If there
> > was effective enough for real world use cycle detection, that would be
> > better.
>
>It seems to me that in the domains where proposed designs are
>applicable, symlinks already provide viable solution.
>  
>
I have been thinking that disabling hard links for filedirectories might
be an acceptable solution for reiser4 if cycles are a deeper problem
than I currently appreciate.  We can then allow people to turn off one
of either filedirectories or hard links.  I would prefer solving the
cycles problem though....

>Nikita.
>
>
>  
>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-06-07  5:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-28  0:46 File as a directory - Ordered Relations Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-28  4:56 ` David Masover
2005-05-28 19:42   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-29 17:58     ` File as a directory - VFS Changes Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-30  8:25       ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-30 11:00       ` Nikita Danilov
2005-05-31  0:20         ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-31  9:34           ` Nikita Danilov
2005-05-31 15:04             ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-31 16:00               ` Nikita Danilov
2005-05-31 16:30               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-31 16:55                 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-05-31 16:59                   ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-31 17:13                     ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-05-31 18:27                       ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-31 21:01                         ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-05-31 21:08                           ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-05-31 22:36                             ` Nikita Danilov
2005-05-31 23:01                               ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-06-01 10:39                                 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-01 10:43                                   ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-01 14:06                                     ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-06-01 14:42                                       ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-01 15:40                                         ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-06-01 17:27                                           ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-01 19:03                                             ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-06-02 10:38                                               ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-02 18:35                                                 ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-06-02 23:54                                                   ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-03 17:57                                                     ` Hans Reiser
2005-06-04 19:45                                                       ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-04 20:13                                                         ` David Masover
2005-06-07  5:08                                                         ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2005-06-03  6:44                                                   ` Faraz Ahmed
2005-05-31 18:23                   ` Nikita Danilov
2005-05-31 18:32                     ` Hans Reiser
2005-06-02  1:27                       ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-06-02  7:46                         ` Hans Reiser
2005-06-02  9:11                       ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-02 17:23                         ` Hubert Chan
2005-06-01  2:11             ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-06-01 10:58               ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-02  1:58                 ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-06-02 10:03                   ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-03  3:35                     ` Performance Impacts of Graph Cycles due to Multiple Parents Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-06-03 11:15                       ` Nikita Danilov
2005-06-07  2:04                         ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-30  8:19     ` File as a directory - Ordered Relations Hans Reiser
2005-05-31 16:46       ` Jonathan Briggs
2005-05-31 17:07         ` Hans Reiser
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-02 14:46 File as a directory - VFS Changes Faraz Ahmed

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