emu10k1, sound blaster audigy two zs and digital output

emu10k1, sound blaster audigy two zs and digital output

[edoardo]

hi gals and dudes,

i'm postin' to both users and developers lists because both were tryin' to 
solve my problem. i think i solved it. but i'm not sure, so here's what 
i've done. i got my self an analogic stereo cable, and a converter jack 
that converts it to rca. on the converter there's a label sayin' mono. i 
plugged the stereo analogic cable into the digital output, and the other 
rca converted end into the spdif in of my creativ dolby digital system. 
now the system has the 'digital in' led turned on.

did i do somethin' that makes sense? cause my dolby digital system don't 
have an optical in. everythin' seems to work digitally now. i'm a bit 
confused do. did i do somethin' right? help! : ) thankyou! : )

ciao! : )

edoardo


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Re: [Alsa-user] emu10k1, sound blaster audigy two zs and digital output

[James Courtier-Dutton]

edoardo wrote:
> 
> hi gals and dudes,
> 
> i'm postin' to both users and developers lists because both were tryin'
> to solve my problem. i think i solved it. but i'm not sure, so here's
> what i've done. i got my self an analogic stereo cable, and a converter
> jack that converts it to rca. on the converter there's a label sayin'
> mono. i plugged the stereo analogic cable into the digital output, and
> the other rca converted end into the spdif in of my creativ dolby
> digital system. now the system has the 'digital in' led turned on.
> 
> did i do somethin' that makes sense? cause my dolby digital system don't
> have an optical in. everythin' seems to work digitally now. i'm a bit
> confused do. did i do somethin' right? help! : ) thankyou! : )
> 
> ciao! : )
> 
> edoardo
> 

That should be fine.



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emu10k1, sound blaster audigy two zs and digital output

[edoardo]

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hi gals, hi dudes : )

so now i seem to have found a way to connect my digital out to the dolby 
digtal system digital in. finally : ) what conerns me is xine. i set it up 
to use alsa and five point one dolby digital, but i ran a vob ac3 test 
file and only the front left and front right speakers seem to work. so i 
played a dvd, and the audio seems pretty good. i mean, all of the speakers 
seem to work, including the subwoofer.

so i'm includin' my xine config file, in case you can point me out to the 
right tweaks i need to set up a good five point one dolby digital. 
thankyou! : )

ciao! : )

edoardo

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#
# xine config file
#
.version:2

# Entries which are still set to their default values are commented out.
# Remove the '#' at the beginning of the line, if you want to change them.

# Abilita il deinterlacciamento in modo predefinito
# bool, default: 0
#gui.deinterlace_by_default:0

# Configurazione del livello di esperienza
# { Beginner  Advanced  Expert  Master of the known universe }, default: 0
gui.experience_level:Master of the known universe

# Abilita supporto OSD
# bool, default: 1
#gui.osd_enabled:1

# Annulla tempo(i) OSD
# numeric, default: 3
#gui.osd_timeout:3

# Chiede all'utente per la riproduzione con codec non supportati
# bool, default: 0
#gui.play_anyway:0

# Ricarica automaticamente la vecchia playlist
# bool, default: 0
#gui.playlist_auto_reload:0

# Plugin di visualizzazione audio
# { goom  oscope  fftscope  fftgraph }, default: 0
#gui.post_audio_plugin:goom

# tema della skin GUI
# { xinetic  Galaxy  Keramic  Crystal }, default: 0
gui.skin:Galaxy

# Cambia il comportamento di Xine per utenti inesperti
# bool, default: 1
#gui.smart_mode:1

# Posizione per la foto
# string, default: /home/edoardo
#gui.snapshotdir:/home/edoardo

# Mostra splash screen
# bool, default: 1
#gui.splash:1

# Caricamento automatico sottotitolo
# bool, default: 1
#gui.subtitle_autoload:1

# Stile dell'animazione visuale
# { None  Post Plugin  Stream Animation }, default: 1
#gui.visual_anim:Post Plugin

# Finestre di stack (di più)
# bool, default: 0
#gui.always_layer_above:0

# MEtodo di controllo dell'audio del mixer
# { Sound card  Software }, default: 0
#gui.audio_mixer_method:Sound card

# Comportamento della visibilità del pannello
# bool, default: 0
#gui.auto_panel_visibility:0

# Comportamento della visibilità della finestra di output
# bool, default: 0
#gui.auto_video_output_visibility:0

# Plugin di deinterlacciamento.
# string, default: tvtime:method=LinearBlend,cheap_mode=1,pulldown=0,use_progressive_frame_flag=1
#gui.deinterlace_plugin:tvtime:method=LinearBlend,cheap_mode=1,pulldown=0,use_progressive_frame_flag=1

# Comportamento del mandante dell'evento
# bool, default: 1
#gui.eventer_sticky:1

# Finestre di stack
# bool, default: 0
#gui.layer_above:0

# Usa OSD non scalato
# bool, default: 1
#gui.osd_use_unscaled:1

# Salvaschermo che risveglia
# numeric, default: 10
#gui.screensaver_timeout:10

# Stile scorciatoia menu
# { Windows style  Emacs style }, default: 0
#gui.shortcut_style:Windows style

# Informazioni stream
# bool, default: 0
#gui.sinfo_auto_update:0

# URL del Server delle skin
# string, default: http://xine.sourceforge.net/skins/skins.slx
#gui.skin_server_url:http://xine.sourceforge.net/skins/skins.slx

# Salta capitolo
# bool, default: 1
#gui.skip_by_chapter:1

# Finestra di output di ridimensione per le nuove dimensioni dello stream
# bool, default: 1
#gui.stream_resize_window:1

# Timeout informazioni (ms)
# numeric, default: 500
#gui.tips_timeout:500

# Visibilità informazioni GUI
# bool, default: 1
#gui.tips_visible:1

# Name of video display
# string, default: 
#gui.video_display:

# Protocollo X sincronizzato (debug)
# bool, default: 0
#gui.xsynchronize:0

# Dimensione doppia per piccoli stream (richiede finestra_ridimensione_stream)
# bool, default: 0
#gui.zoom_small_stream:0

# Logo MRL
# string, default: file:/usr/share/xine/skins/xine-ui_logo.mpv
#gui.logo_mrl:file:/usr/share/xine/skins/xine-ui_logo.mpv

# usa l'estensione XVidMode quando passa a schermo pieno
# bool, default: 0
#gui.use_xvidext:0

# Livello di amplificazione
# [0..200], default: 100
#gui.amp_level:100

# Visibilità pannello GUI
# bool, default: 1
#gui.panel_visible:1

# numeric, default: 200
gui.panel_x:497

# numeric, default: 100
gui.panel_y:698

# brightness value
# [0..65535], default: -1
#gui.vo_brightness:-1

# contrast value
# [0..65535], default: -1
#gui.vo_contrast:-1

# saturation value
# [0..65535], default: -1
#gui.vo_saturation:-1

gui.control_y:89

gui.eventer_x:1195

gui.eventer_y:864

gui.mrl_browser_x:222

gui.mrl_browser_y:184

gui.setup_x:447

gui.setup_y:242

# palette (foreground-border-background) to use for subtitles and OSD
# { white-black-transparent  white-none-transparent  white-none-translucid  yellow-black-transparent }, default: 0
#ui.osd.text_palette:white-black-transparent

# notify changes to the hardware mixer
# bool, default: 1
#audio.alsa_hw_mixer:1

# driver audio da usare
# { auto  null  alsa  oss  arts  esd  none  file }, default: 0
audio.driver:alsa

# use A/52 dynamic range compression
# bool, default: 0
#audio.a52.dynamic_range:0

# downmix audio to 2 channel surround stereo
# bool, default: 0
#audio.a52.surround_downmix:0

# A/52 volume
# [0..200], default: 100
#audio.a52.level:100

# dispositivo usato per output mono
# string, default: default
#audio.device.alsa_default_device:default

# dispositivo usato per output stereo
# string, default: plug:front:default
audio.device.alsa_front_device:default

# dispositivo mixer di alsa
# string, default: PCM
#audio.device.alsa_mixer_name:PCM

# sound card can do mmap
# bool, default: 0
#audio.device.alsa_mmap_enable:0

# dispositivo usato per output a canale 5.1
# string, default: iec958:AES0=0x6,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x0,AES3=0x2
#audio.device.alsa_passthrough_device:iec958:AES0=0x6,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x0,AES3=0x2

# dispositivo usato per output a 4 canali
# string, default: plug:surround40:0
#audio.device.alsa_surround40_device:plug:surround40:0

# dispositivo usato per output a canale 5.1
# string, default: plug:surround51:0
#audio.device.alsa_surround51_device:plug:surround51:0

# speaker arrangement
# { Mono 1.0  Stereo 2.0  Headphones 2.0  Stereo 2.1  Surround 3.0  Surround 4.0  Surround 4.1  Surround 5.0  Surround 5.1  Surround 6.0  Surround 6.1  Surround 7.1  Pass Through }, default: 1
audio.output.speaker_arrangement:Surround 5.1

# offset for digital passthrough
# numeric, default: 0
#audio.synchronization.passthrough_offset:0

# method to sync audio and video
# { metronom feedback  resample }, default: 0
#audio.synchronization.av_sync_method:metronom feedback

# always resample to this rate (0 to disable)
# numeric, default: 0
#audio.synchronization.force_rate:0

# enable resampling
# { auto  off  on }, default: 0
#audio.synchronization.resample_mode:auto

# startup audio volume
# [0..100], default: 50
#audio.volume.mixer_volume:50

# ripristina il livello di volume all'avvio
# bool, default: 0
#audio.volume.remember_volume:0

# driver video da usare
# { auto  xv  opengl  xshm  none  sdl }, default: 0
video.driver:xshm

# brightness correction
# [-128..127], default: 0
#video.output.xshm_gamma:0

# disable exact alpha blending of overlays
# bool, default: 0
#video.output.disable_exact_alphablend:0

# disable all video scaling
# bool, default: 0
#video.output.disable_scaling:0

# posizione immagine orizzontale nella finestra di output
# [0..100], default: 50
#video.output.horizontal_position:50

# posizione immagine verticale nella finestra di output
# [0..100], default: 50
#video.output.vertical_position:50

# MPEG-4 postprocessing quality
# [0..6], default: 3
#video.processing.ffmpeg_pp_quality:3

# device used for CD audio
# string, default: /dev/cdrom
#media.audio_cd.device:/dev/cdrom

# slow down disc drive to this speed factor
# numeric, default: 4
#media.audio_cd.drive_slowdown:4

# query CDDB
# bool, default: 1
#media.audio_cd.use_cddb:1

# CDDB cache directory
# string, default: /home/edoardo/.xine/cddbcache
#media.audio_cd.cddb_cachedir:/home/edoardo/.xine/cddbcache

# CDDB server port
# numeric, default: 8880
#media.audio_cd.cddb_port:8880

# CDDB server name
# string, default: freedb.freedb.org
#media.audio_cd.cddb_server:freedb.freedb.org

# directory for saving streams
# string, default: 
#media.capture.save_dir:

# Number of dvb card to use.
# numeric, default: 0
#media.dvb.adapter:0

# Remember last DVB channel watched
# bool, default: 1
#media.dvb.remember_channel:1

# Last DVB channel viewed
# numeric, default: -1
#media.dvb.last_channel:-1

# default language for DVD playback
# string, default: en
#media.dvd.language:en

# region the DVD player claims to be in (1 to 8)
# numeric, default: 1
#media.dvd.region:1

# device used for DVD playback
# string, default: /dev/dvd
#media.dvd.device:/dev/dvd

# raw device set up for DVD access
# string, default: /dev/rdvd
#media.dvd.raw_device:/dev/rdvd

# read-ahead caching
# bool, default: 1
#media.dvd.readahead:1

# CSS decryption method
# { key  disc  title }, default: 0
#media.dvd.css_decryption_method:key

# unit for seeking
# { seek in program chain  seek in program }, default: 0
#media.dvd.seek_behaviour:seek in program chain

# unit for the skip action
# { skip program  skip part  skip title }, default: 0
#media.dvd.skip_behaviour:skip program

# path to the title key cache
# string, default: /home/edoardo/.dvdcss/
#media.dvd.css_cache_path:/home/edoardo/.dvdcss/

# locazioni di partenza della navigazione file
# string, default: /home/edoardo
media.files.origin_path:/home/edoardo/multimedia/video

# mostra file nascosti
# bool, default: 0
#media.files.show_hidden_files:0

# network bandwidth
# { 14.4 Kbps (Modem)  19.2 Kbps (Modem)  28.8 Kbps (Modem)  33.6 Kbps (Modem)  34.4 Kbps (Modem)  57.6 Kbps (Modem)  115.2 Kbps (ISDN)  262.2 Kbps (Cable/DSL)  393.2 Kbps (Cable/DSL)  524.3 Kbps (Cable/DSL)  1.5 Mbps (T1)  10.5 Mbps (LAN) }, default: 10
#media.network.bandwidth:1.5 Mbps (T1)

# Domains for which to ignore the HTTP proxy
# string, default: 
#media.network.http_no_proxy:

# HTTP proxy host
# string, default: 
#media.network.http_proxy_host:

# HTTP proxy password
# string, default: 
#media.network.http_proxy_password:

# HTTP proxy port
# numeric, default: 80
#media.network.http_proxy_port:80

# HTTP proxy username
# string, default: 
#media.network.http_proxy_user:

# MMS protocol
# { auto  TCP  HTTP }, default: 0
#media.network.mms_protocol:auto

# device used for VCD playback
# string, default: /dev/cdrom
media.vcd.device:

# v4l radio device
# string, default: /dev/v4l/radio0
#media.video4linux.radio_device:/dev/v4l/radio0

# v4l video device
# string, default: /dev/v4l/video0
#media.video4linux.video_device:/dev/v4l/video0

# device used for WinTV-PVR 250/350 (pvr plugin)
# string, default: /dev/video0
#media.wintv_pvr.device:/dev/video0

# path to RealPlayer codecs
# string, default: 
#decoder.external.real_codecs_path:

# path to Win32 codecs
# string, default: /usr/lib/win32
#decoder.external.win32_codecs_path:/usr/lib/win32

# subtitle size
# { tiny  small  normal  large  very large  huge }, default: 1
#subtitles.separate.subtitle_size:small

# subtitle vertical offset
# numeric, default: 0
#subtitles.separate.vertical_offset:0

# font for subtitles
# string, default: sans
#subtitles.separate.font:sans

# encoding of the subtitles
# string, default: iso-8859-1
#subtitles.separate.src_encoding:iso-8859-1

# use unscaled OSD if possible
# bool, default: 1
#subtitles.separate.use_unscaled_osd:1

# frames per second to generate
# numeric, default: 10
#effects.goom.fps:10

# goom image height
# numeric, default: 240
#effects.goom.height:240

# goom image width
# numeric, default: 320
#effects.goom.width:320

# colorspace conversion method
# { Fast but not photorealistic  Slow but looks better }, default: 0
#effects.goom.csc_method:Fast but not photorealistic

# number of audio buffers
# numeric, default: 230
#engine.buffers.audio_num_buffers:230

# number of video buffers
# numeric, default: 500
#engine.buffers.video_num_buffers:500

# priority for a/52 decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.a/52:0

# priority for bitplane decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.bitplane:0

# priority for dts decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.dts:0

# priority for dvaudio decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.dvaudio:0

# priority for ffmpeg-wmv8 decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.ffmpeg-wmv8:0

# priority for ffmpegaudio decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.ffmpegaudio:0

# priority for ffmpegvideo decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.ffmpegvideo:0

# priority for flacdec decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.flacdec:0

# priority for gsm610 decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.gsm610:0

# priority for image decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.image:0

# priority for mad decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.mad:0

# priority for mpc decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.mpc:0

# priority for mpeg2 decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.mpeg2:0

# priority for nsf decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.nsf:0

# priority for pcm decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.pcm:0

# priority for qta decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.qta:0

# priority for qtv decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.qtv:0

# priority for real decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.real:0

# priority for realadec decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.realadec:0

# priority for rgb decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.rgb:0

# priority for spucc decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.spucc:0

# priority for spucmml decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.spucmml:0

# priority for spudec decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.spudec:0

# priority for spudvb decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.spudvb:0

# priority for sputext decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.sputext:0

# priority for vorbis decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.vorbis:0

# priority for win32a decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.win32a:0

# priority for win32v decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.win32v:0

# priority for yuv decoder
# numeric, default: 0
#engine.decoder_priorities.yuv:0

# media format detection strategy
# { default  reverse  content  extension }, default: 0
#engine.demux.strategy:default

# memcopy method used by xine
# { probe  libc  kernel  mmx  mmxext  sse }, default: 0
engine.performance.memcpy_method:mmxext

# percentage of discarded frames to tolerate
# numeric, default: 10
#engine.performance.warn_discarded_threshold:10

# percentage of skipped frames to tolerate
# numeric, default: 10
#engine.performance.warn_skipped_threshold:10

# allow implicit changes to the configuration (e.g. by MRL)
# bool, default: 0
#misc.implicit_config:0

Re: emu10k1, sound blaster audigy two zs and digital output

[James Courtier-Dutton]

edoardo wrote:
> 
> hi gals, hi dudes : )
> 
> so now i seem to have found a way to connect my digital out to the dolby
> digtal system digital in. finally : ) what conerns me is xine. i set it
> up to use alsa and five point one dolby digital, but i ran a vob ac3
> test file and only the front left and front right speakers seem to work.
> so i played a dvd, and the audio seems pretty good. i mean, all of the
> speakers seem to work, including the subwoofer.
> 
> so i'm includin' my xine config file, in case you can point me out to
> the right tweaks i need to set up a good five point one dolby digital.
> thankyou! : )
> 
> ciao! : )
> 
> edoardo
> 
> 
> 
> # speaker arrangement
> # { Mono 1.0  Stereo 2.0  Headphones 2.0  Stereo 2.1  Surround 3.0  Surround 4.0  Surround 4.1  Surround 5.0  Surround 5.1  Surround 6.0  Surround 6.1  Surround 7.1  Pass Through }, default: 1
> audio.output.speaker_arrangement:Surround 5.1
> 

Set speaker-arrangement to Pass Through instead of Surround 5.1

5.1 is for 6 channel analog outputs, pass through is for toslink or
spdif digital output.



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Re: Re: emu10k1, sound blaster audigy two zs and digital output

[edoardo]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:

> Set speaker-arrangement to Pass Through instead of Surround 5.1
>
> 5.1 is for 6 channel analog outputs, pass through is for toslink or
> spdif digital output.

i did, and both while playin' the test vob file and a dvd i hear a crack 
when sound is supposed to start, and after that nothin' at all : ( help? 
thankyou! : )

ciao! : )

edoardo


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Re: Re: emu10k1, sound blaster audigy two zs and digital output

[edoardo]

also, i noticed that when i run xine with pass through option set and i 
keep alsamixer open, 'iec958 optical raw' and 'audigy analog/digital 
output jack' get checked if they were unchecked. the optical raw thing, 
when it's checked, don't let me hear any audio from the digital output, 
and i have to uncheck it to hear anythin'. but with pass through turned 
on, optical raw is forced on. how come? help! thankyou! : )

ciao! : )

edoardo


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Re: Re: emu10k1, sound blaster audigy two zs and digital output

[Peter Zubaj]

"iec958 optical raw" - is switched on, because ac3 data have to pass 
through DSP unchanged.

try to play normal stereo wav file with aplay ("iec958 optical raw" will 
be turned on and you will be not able to change volume - set lower 
volume on your receiver, because otherways it will be high)

aplay -D spdif some.wav

You should be able to hear sound. If this works then problem can be, 
your audigy is not correctly identified (some have bug in ac3 passtrough).

What alsa version do you use (cat /proc/asound/version)?

Peter Zubaj


edoardo wrote:

>
> also, i noticed that when i run xine with pass through option set and 
> i keep alsamixer open, 'iec958 optical raw' and 'audigy analog/digital 
> output jack' get checked if they were unchecked. the optical raw 
> thing, when it's checked, don't let me hear any audio from the digital 
> output, and i have to uncheck it to hear anythin'. but with pass 
> through turned on, optical raw is forced on. how come? help! thankyou! 
> : )
>
> ciao! : )
>
> edoardo
>
>
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Re: [Alsa-user] Re: emu10k1, sound blaster audigy two zs and digital output

[edoardo]

output for the version:
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.8 (Thu Jan 13 09:39:32 2005 UTC).

i remember readin' here in this mailin' list that my card is fully 
supported from 1.0.9 on, so that may be the issue? anyway, playin' the 
.wav file as you suggested works, and optical raw *is* turned on, so 
that's not the issue. also playin' cds with both totem and xine-ui works 
fine, although optical raw is not turned on and you *can* change the 
volume from software.

now what i'm wonderin' is that maybe the alsa-driver i'm usin' ain't 
appropriate, but that's what comes with my kernel (2.6.11). shall i 
uncheck the modules from within the kernel and install gentoo's 
alsa-driver, which is 1.0.9? i'll try, then i'll let y'all now.

ciao! : )

edoardo


On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Peter Zubaj wrote:

> "iec958 optical raw" - is switched on, because ac3 data have to pass through 
> DSP unchanged.
>
> try to play normal stereo wav file with aplay ("iec958 optical raw" will be 
> turned on and you will be not able to change volume - set lower volume on 
> your receiver, because otherways it will be high)
>
> aplay -D spdif some.wav
>
> You should be able to hear sound. If this works then problem can be, your 
> audigy is not correctly identified (some have bug in ac3 passtrough).
>
> What alsa version do you use (cat /proc/asound/version)?
>
> Peter Zubaj
>
>
> edoardo wrote:
>
>>
>>  also, i noticed that when i run xine with pass through option set and i
>>  keep alsamixer open, 'iec958 optical raw' and 'audigy analog/digital
>>  output jack' get checked if they were unchecked. the optical raw thing,
>>  when it's checked, don't let me hear any audio from the digital output,
>>  and i have to uncheck it to hear anythin'. but with pass through turned
>>  on, optical raw is forced on. how come? help! thankyou! 
>> : ) 
>>
>>  ciao! : )
>>
>>  edoardo
>> 
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Re: [Alsa-devel] Re: Re: emu10k1, sound blaster audigy two zs and digital output

[edoardo]

dolby digital works fine now, with the new 1.0.9 modules : ) i hadn't 
thought about havin' an old alsa version, since i was usin' the kernel 
builtin modules, and all the alsa packages were 1.0.9 already... really 
had forgotten about alsa-driver : ) the dolby digital led even gets 
turned on on my dolby digital external decoder! thankyou very much for 
all the assistance, i'll post again if i have any problems! thankyou! : )

ciao! : )

edoardo


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