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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, herbert@13thfloor.at,
	devel@openvz.org, serue@us.ibm.com, akpm@osdl.org,
	sam@vilain.net, Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
	Pavel Emelianov <xemul@sw.ru>, Stanislav Protassov <st@sw.ru>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:28:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4428BB5C.3060803@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1143228339.19152.91.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Dave Hansen wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 04:33 +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
>> Oh, after you come to an agreement and start posting patches, can you
>> also outline why we want this in the kernel (what it does that low
>> level virtualization doesn't, etc, etc) 
> 
> Can you wait for an OLS paper? ;)
> 
> I'll summarize it this way: low-level virtualization uses resource
> inefficiently.
> 
> With this higher-level stuff, you get to share all of the Linux caching,
> and can do things like sharing libraries pretty naturally.
> 
> They are also much lighter-weight to create and destroy than full
> virtual machines.  We were planning on doing some performance
> comparisons versus some hypervisors like Xen and the ppc64 one to show
> scaling with the number of virtualized instances.  Creating 100 of these
> Linux containers is as easy as a couple of shell scripts, but we still
> can't find anybody crazy enough to go create 100 Xen VMs.

But these require a modified O/S, do they not? Or do I read that 
incorrectly? Is this going to be real virtualization able to run any O/S?

Frankly I don't see running 100 VMs as a realistic goal, being able to 
run Linux, Windows, Solaris and BEOS unmodified in 4-5 VMs would be far 
more useful.
> 
> Anyway, those are the things that came to my mind first.  I'm sure the
> others involved have their own motivations.
> 
> -- Dave
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-28  4:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-24 17:19 [RFC] Virtualization steps Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-24 17:33 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-24 19:25   ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-24 19:53     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28  4:28     ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2006-03-28  5:31       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-28  6:45       ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 21:59         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-28 22:24           ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 23:28             ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29  9:13               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 11:08                 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 13:45                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-29 14:47                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 17:29                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-29 21:37                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-12  8:28                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-13  1:05                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13  6:52                           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-13 13:42                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13 21:33                               ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-13 22:45                                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-14  7:41                                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-14  9:56                                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-15 19:29                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13 22:51                                 ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-04-14 10:08                                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-15 19:31                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28  8:52       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28  9:00         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 14:26           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 14:44             ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-29  6:05               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29  6:19                 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 18:20                   ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 22:36                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 22:52                       ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 23:01                         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 23:13                           ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 23:18                             ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 23:28                               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  1:02                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30  1:36                           ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  1:41                             ` David Lang
2006-03-30  2:04                               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 14:32                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 15:30                                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-30 16:43                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 18:00                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31 13:40                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 16:07                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-03-30 16:15                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 18:55                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 18:44                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 19:07                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  5:36                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31  5:51                                         ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  6:52                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 18:53                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  2:48                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 19:23                               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  6:00                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31 14:52                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-03-31 16:39                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 13:29                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 13:37                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 14:55                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30  2:24                           ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-30  3:01                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30  3:26                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-30 10:30                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-04-11 10:32                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-11 11:14                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-11 14:44                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28  9:00       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 14:41         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 15:03           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 17:48             ` Jeff Dike
2006-03-28 23:07           ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 20:56             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 20:29     ` [Devel] " Jun OKAJIMA
2006-03-28 20:50       ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 21:38         ` Jun OKAJIMA
2006-03-28 21:51           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 23:18             ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-03 16:47         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-04-11 10:38           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-11 16:20             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-11 18:12               ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-04-12  5:12             ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12  6:55               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-12  6:53                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12  7:51                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-12 17:03                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12 17:20                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-04-13 16:54               ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-04-30 13:22             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-04-30 21:34               ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-01 12:27               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-05-03 20:32                 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28  9:02   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28  9:15     ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 15:35       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 15:53         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 16:31         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29 21:37         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 16:15       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 23:04       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29  1:39       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 13:47         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 15:48     ` [Devel] " Matt Ayres
2006-03-28 15:48       ` Matt Ayres
2006-03-28 16:42       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 17:04         ` Matt Ayres
2006-03-28 17:04           ` Matt Ayres
2006-03-29  0:55       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-24 18:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-24 21:19 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-27 18:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28  8:51     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 12:53       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-28 22:51       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 20:30       ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-29 20:47         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29 22:44         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-30 13:51         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 21:58   ` Eric W. Biederman

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