From: Matt Ayres <matta@tektonic.net>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: devel@openvz.org, Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
herbert@13thfloor.at, sam@vilain.net,
Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
serue@us.ibm.com,
"xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>
Subject: Re: [Devel] Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:04:50 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44296CB2.9090909@tektonic.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1r74mbjwe.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Matt Ayres <matta@tektonic.net> writes:
>
>> I think the Xen guys would disagree with you on this. Xen claims <3% overhead
>> on the XenSource site.
>>
>> Where did you get these figures from? What Xen version did you test? What was
>> your configuration? Did you have kernel debugging enabled? You can't just post
>> numbers without the data to back it up, especially when it conflicts greatly
>> with the Xen developers statements. AFAIK Xen is well on it's way to inclusion
>> into the mainstream kernel.
>
> It doesn't matter. The proof that Xen has more overhead is trivial
> Xen does more, and Xen clients don't share resources well.
>
I understand the difference. It was more about Kirill grabbing numbers
out of the air. I actually think the containers and Xen complement each
other very well. As Xen is now based on 2.6.16 (as are both VServer and
OVZ) it makes sense to run a few Xen domains that then in turn run
containers in some scenarios. As far as the last part, Xen doesn't
share resources at all :)
Thank you,
Matt Ayres
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Matt Ayres <matta@tektonic.net>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: akpm@osdl.org, Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
"xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
sam@vilain.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, serue@us.ibm.com,
Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
herbert@13thfloor.at, devel@openvz.org
Subject: Re: [Devel] Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:04:50 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44296CB2.9090909@tektonic.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1r74mbjwe.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Matt Ayres <matta@tektonic.net> writes:
>
>> I think the Xen guys would disagree with you on this. Xen claims <3% overhead
>> on the XenSource site.
>>
>> Where did you get these figures from? What Xen version did you test? What was
>> your configuration? Did you have kernel debugging enabled? You can't just post
>> numbers without the data to back it up, especially when it conflicts greatly
>> with the Xen developers statements. AFAIK Xen is well on it's way to inclusion
>> into the mainstream kernel.
>
> It doesn't matter. The proof that Xen has more overhead is trivial
> Xen does more, and Xen clients don't share resources well.
>
I understand the difference. It was more about Kirill grabbing numbers
out of the air. I actually think the containers and Xen complement each
other very well. As Xen is now based on 2.6.16 (as are both VServer and
OVZ) it makes sense to run a few Xen domains that then in turn run
containers in some scenarios. As far as the last part, Xen doesn't
share resources at all :)
Thank you,
Matt Ayres
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-03-28 17:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-03-24 17:19 [RFC] Virtualization steps Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-24 17:33 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-24 19:25 ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-24 19:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 4:28 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 5:31 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-28 6:45 ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 21:59 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-28 22:24 ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 23:28 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 9:13 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 11:08 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 13:45 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-29 14:47 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 17:29 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-29 21:37 ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-12 8:28 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-13 1:05 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13 6:52 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-13 13:42 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13 21:33 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-13 22:45 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-14 7:41 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-14 9:56 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-15 19:29 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13 22:51 ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-04-14 10:08 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-15 19:31 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 8:52 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 9:00 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 14:26 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 14:44 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-29 6:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29 6:19 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 18:20 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 22:36 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 22:52 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 23:01 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 23:13 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 23:18 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 23:28 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 1:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 1:36 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 1:41 ` David Lang
2006-03-30 2:04 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 14:32 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 15:30 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-30 16:43 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 18:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31 13:40 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 16:07 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-03-30 16:15 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 18:55 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 18:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 19:07 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31 5:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31 5:51 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31 6:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 18:53 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 2:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 19:23 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31 6:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31 14:52 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-03-31 16:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 13:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 13:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 14:55 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 2:24 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-30 3:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 3:26 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-30 10:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-04-11 10:32 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-11 11:14 ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-11 14:44 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 9:00 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 14:41 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 15:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 17:48 ` Jeff Dike
2006-03-28 23:07 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 20:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 20:29 ` [Devel] " Jun OKAJIMA
2006-03-28 20:50 ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 21:38 ` Jun OKAJIMA
2006-03-28 21:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 23:18 ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-03 16:47 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-04-11 10:38 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-11 16:20 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-11 18:12 ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-04-12 5:12 ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12 6:55 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-12 6:53 ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12 7:51 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-12 17:03 ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12 17:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-04-13 16:54 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-04-30 13:22 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-04-30 21:34 ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-01 12:27 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-05-03 20:32 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 9:02 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 9:15 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 15:35 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 15:53 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 16:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29 21:37 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 16:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 23:04 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 1:39 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 13:47 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 15:48 ` [Devel] " Matt Ayres
2006-03-28 15:48 ` Matt Ayres
2006-03-28 16:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 17:04 ` Matt Ayres [this message]
2006-03-28 17:04 ` Matt Ayres
2006-03-29 0:55 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-24 18:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-24 21:19 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-27 18:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 8:51 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 12:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-28 22:51 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 20:30 ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-29 20:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29 22:44 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-30 13:51 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 21:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
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