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From: Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>,
	Albert Cahalan <acahalan@gmail.com>,
	kangur@polcom.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New filesystem for Linux
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 01:36:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <454E8379.1020100@keyaccess.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <454E5CDC.7000002@zytor.com>

H. Peter Anvin wrote:

> Rene Herman wrote:

>> For primary (and extended) partitions, yes. I haven't used any version 
>> of DOS that has ever objected to arbitrarily aligned partitions in the 
>> MBR (and I do align them arbitrarily since I always make my partitions 
>> some exact size and start the next partition in the next sector).
>>
>> Different though for logical partitions inside an extended. As late as 
>> Windows 98, DOS would object to non-aligned logicals, at the very 
>> least with some settings for the BIOS use/don't use LBA or "Large" 
>> settings.
>>
>> Linux doesn't care; I've used type 0x85 instead of 0x05 for my 
>> extended partitions dus to that for years. DOS just ignores that one...
>>
> 
> DOS, or FDISK?

DOS. It was something like DOS accepting the non cylinder-aligned 
logical but then proceding as if it were cylinder aligned anyway, 
rounding the starting sector down. This obviously is not good.

Also see the "--DOS-extended" comment in the sfdisk man page. Since I do 
remember differences when using different "Large" CHSs in the BIOS, for 
all I remember I was experiencing that problem when I ran into it. If 
so, the DOS underlying Windows 98 is among the "some versions".

In any case, yes, non-cylinder aligned logical partitions (for whichever 
defintion of "aligned" fits DOS' idea of the geometry) really do cause 
trouble.

The DR-DOS (-> Novel DOS -> Caldera OpenDOS) warning in that manpage 
seems to imply that cylinder alignment was a good idea for all 
partitions seen by it, and I do remember it being a pain in that regard 
as well. Guess it's pretty safe to not care about DR-DOS anymore though.

Rene.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-06  0:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-02 21:52 New filesystem for Linux Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 22:32 ` Gabriel C
2006-11-03  1:22   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03  1:41     ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-03 17:14       ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 17:09         ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 17:36           ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 18:14             ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 19:08             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-11-03 19:32               ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 19:00         ` Alan Cox
2006-11-03 19:14           ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-03  2:09     ` Gabriel C
2006-11-03  8:26       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-03 11:52         ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 11:59           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 12:50             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-03 18:48               ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 21:51                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-03 11:47       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 22:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-03  1:28   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03  1:43     ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-04 18:40   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 19:07     ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-04 19:39     ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-11-05  1:58     ` Alan Cox
2006-11-05  2:09       ` Patrick McFarland
2006-11-05 13:03     ` Maurizio Lombardi
2006-11-05 20:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-11-02 22:54 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-11-02 23:10   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-02 23:19   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 23:29     ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-11-03  1:34       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 20:30         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-04 18:46           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05 12:02             ` Theodore Tso
2006-11-03 22:00         ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 22:42           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03  0:57     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-11-03 13:05     ` Ric Wheeler
2006-11-06  2:42     ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-04 19:59   ` Albert Cahalan
2006-11-04 21:01     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-11-05 16:37       ` Albert Cahalan
2006-11-04 23:38     ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 23:46       ` Kyle Moffett
2006-11-05 20:26         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-11-05 21:27           ` Rene Herman
2006-11-05 21:51             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-11-06  0:36               ` Rene Herman [this message]
2006-11-05 21:49       ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-05  1:57     ` Alan Cox
2006-11-05 11:14       ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-11-05 11:27         ` Brad Campbell
2006-11-05 12:37           ` Alan Cox
2006-11-06  2:48           ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-05 16:22         ` Albert Cahalan
2006-11-05 17:18       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05 18:14         ` Alan Cox
2006-11-05 18:18           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05 19:14             ` Alan Cox
2006-11-02 23:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-03 20:02   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-02 23:41 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-03  1:45   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 13:47     ` Nikita Danilov
2006-11-03 14:39       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 23:59 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03  1:19   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 10:19     ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 11:56       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 12:21         ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 13:31           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 13:48             ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 14:19               ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 14:53                 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 19:01                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 10:46                     ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-04 18:50                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-06 21:19                         ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 19:51             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-11-03 19:00     ` dean gaudet
2006-11-04 10:53       ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-04 11:13         ` dean gaudet
2006-11-04 20:07           ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-04 18:52       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 18:56         ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-11-04 19:18           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 17:37 ` Gautham R Shenoy
2006-11-04 18:27   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-05 22:33     ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-05  0:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-05  4:14   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05  8:34     ` Willy Tarreau
2006-11-05 11:31       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-05 14:48     ` Bruno Cesar Ribas
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2006-11-06 17:40 Al Boldi

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