From: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
Cc: Grzegorz Kulewski <kangur@polcom.net>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New filesystem for Linux
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 21:42:15 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <454EA107.7020108@cfl.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611030015150.3266@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> There was discussion about it here some times ago, and I think the
> result was that the IDE bus is reset prior to capacitors discharge and
> total loss of power and disk has enough time to finish a sector --- but
> if you have crap power supply (doesn't signal power loss), crap
> motherboard (doesn't reset bus) or crap disk (doesn't respond to reset),
> it can fail.
>
> BTW. reiserfs and xfs depend on this feature too. ext3 is the only one
> that doesn't.
>
> Mikulas
Yes, if your disk can not atomically commit a single sector, then it is
broken. And ALL filesystems rely on this behavior because they all
expect NOT to have hardware IO read failures of important metadata after
a power failure ( due to the sector ECC failing ).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-11-06 2:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-11-02 21:52 New filesystem for Linux Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 22:32 ` Gabriel C
2006-11-03 1:22 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 1:41 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-03 17:14 ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 17:09 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 17:36 ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 18:14 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 19:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-11-03 19:32 ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 19:00 ` Alan Cox
2006-11-03 19:14 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-03 2:09 ` Gabriel C
2006-11-03 8:26 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-03 11:52 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 11:59 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 12:50 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-03 18:48 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 21:51 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-03 11:47 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 22:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-03 1:28 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 1:43 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-04 18:40 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 19:07 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-04 19:39 ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-11-05 1:58 ` Alan Cox
2006-11-05 2:09 ` Patrick McFarland
2006-11-05 13:03 ` Maurizio Lombardi
2006-11-05 20:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-11-02 22:54 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-11-02 23:10 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-02 23:19 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 23:29 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-11-03 1:34 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 20:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-04 18:46 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05 12:02 ` Theodore Tso
2006-11-03 22:00 ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 22:42 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 0:57 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-11-03 13:05 ` Ric Wheeler
2006-11-06 2:42 ` Phillip Susi [this message]
2006-11-04 19:59 ` Albert Cahalan
2006-11-04 21:01 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-11-05 16:37 ` Albert Cahalan
2006-11-04 23:38 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 23:46 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-11-05 20:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-11-05 21:27 ` Rene Herman
2006-11-05 21:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-11-06 0:36 ` Rene Herman
2006-11-05 21:49 ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-05 1:57 ` Alan Cox
2006-11-05 11:14 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-11-05 11:27 ` Brad Campbell
2006-11-05 12:37 ` Alan Cox
2006-11-06 2:48 ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-05 16:22 ` Albert Cahalan
2006-11-05 17:18 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05 18:14 ` Alan Cox
2006-11-05 18:18 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05 19:14 ` Alan Cox
2006-11-02 23:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-03 20:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-02 23:41 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-03 1:45 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 13:47 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-11-03 14:39 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 23:59 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 1:19 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 10:19 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 11:56 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 12:21 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 13:31 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 13:48 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 14:19 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 14:53 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 19:01 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 10:46 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-04 18:50 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-06 21:19 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 19:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-11-03 19:00 ` dean gaudet
2006-11-04 10:53 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-04 11:13 ` dean gaudet
2006-11-04 20:07 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-04 18:52 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 18:56 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-11-04 19:18 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 17:37 ` Gautham R Shenoy
2006-11-04 18:27 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-05 22:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-05 0:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-05 4:14 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05 8:34 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-11-05 11:31 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-05 14:48 ` Bruno Cesar Ribas
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2006-11-06 17:40 Al Boldi
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