Website for mlmmj

Website for mlmmj

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

Hello all,

Quite some time ago people volunteered to do something about the mlmmj
website, now we have mlmmj.org domain.

Nothing have happened (that I know of) however, so I was wondering what
the status is?

Now that we have so many big list servers running mlmmj, and it's quite
stable and mature, we really should get a decent website.

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.

Re: Website for mlmmj

[Kurt Lieber]

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On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 12:39:41PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:
> Quite some time ago people volunteered to do something about the mlmmj
> website, now we have mlmmj.org domain.
> 
> Nothing have happened (that I know of) however, so I was wondering what
> the status is?

If hosting is an issue, I can talk to some folks at the Open Source Lab at
Oregon State University (http://www.osuosl.org/)  They provide a ton of
free hosting for the likes of Debian, phpBB, apache, openoffice, etc. (and,
of course, gentoo :)

--kurt

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Re: Website for mlmmj

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

* Kurt Lieber <klieber@gentoo.org> [Dec 07. 2006 13:36]:
> > Quite some time ago people volunteered to do something about the mlmmj
> > website, now we have mlmmj.org domain.
> > 
> > Nothing have happened (that I know of) however, so I was wondering what
> > the status is?
> 
> If hosting is an issue, I can talk to some folks at the Open Source
> Lab at Oregon State University (http://www.osuosl.org/)  They provide
> a ton of free hosting for the likes of Debian, phpBB, apache,
> openoffice, etc. (and, of course, gentoo :)

That sounds cool, but I think hosting is they one area where we're well
covered. A major ISP here in Denmark have bought the mlmmj.org domain
for us an will hosts is together with the list etc.

Problem is to have someone make a simple, good navigatable, works in all
browsers website.

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.

Re: Website for mlmmj

[Thomas Goirand]

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Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:
> 
> That sounds cool, but I think hosting is they one area where we're well
> covered. A major ISP here in Denmark have bought the mlmmj.org domain
> for us an will hosts is together with the list etc.

That sounds good, but germany is quite badly connected to Asia. If you
need it, I can provide a ftp mirror (or even a full web mirror as well)
for MLMMJ in Singapore. I'd just like to have a small link back to us if
possible (but I would do it even without the link).

For the website, I'm sorry to say that I wouldn't have time to do it.
But my company can pay for a small template for the graphics. It could
be bought in sites like templatemonster.com or others.

http://www.templatemonster.com/category.php?type=1&tid=+-+Any+-&search_words=+-+Any+-&from_=&to=&cat#&style=0&author=0&x'&y=5

Just pickup one of them, and I put the company credit card to buy it.

I personally like the #9317 template with the funny toaster...

For the content itself, I think static HTML is best, I don't like silly
CMS like joomla, drupal and so on, that are slow (and CPU eaters), and
have many security flows.

Best regards,

    Thomas Goirand, GPLHost CEO
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Phone: +1-302-213-1611
Web: http://www.gplhost.com
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Re: Website for mlmmj

[Raymond den Ouden]

I myself hate such default templates.

No offense, but they are often bady built. I always split the content 
from the layout. Then even blind people can use it, or people with text 
browsers like lynx or links, which I often use when downloading files.
If mads likes one it's often easy to make a proper design for that.

CMS systems are not silly, probably cpu eaters, but often very useful, 
especially when you make a site which has to be maintained by someone 
else who can't build proper HTML pages. Although static HTML is the 
fastest and most stable way of hosting.

Raymond

Thomas Goirand wrote:

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>Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:
>  
>
>>That sounds cool, but I think hosting is they one area where we're well
>>covered. A major ISP here in Denmark have bought the mlmmj.org domain
>>for us an will hosts is together with the list etc.
>>    
>>
>
>That sounds good, but germany is quite badly connected to Asia. If you
>need it, I can provide a ftp mirror (or even a full web mirror as well)
>for MLMMJ in Singapore. I'd just like to have a small link back to us if
>possible (but I would do it even without the link).
>
>For the website, I'm sorry to say that I wouldn't have time to do it.
>But my company can pay for a small template for the graphics. It could
>be bought in sites like templatemonster.com or others.
>
>http://www.templatemonster.com/category.php?type=1&tid=+-+Any+-&search_words=+-+Any+-&from_=&to=&cat#&style=0&author=0&x'&y=5
>
>Just pickup one of them, and I put the company credit card to buy it.
>
>I personally like the #9317 template with the funny toaster...
>
>For the content itself, I think static HTML is best, I don't like silly
>CMS like joomla, drupal and so on, that are slow (and CPU eaters), and
>have many security flows.
>
>Best regards,
>
>    Thomas Goirand, GPLHost CEO
>- --
>Phone: +1-302-213-1611
>Web: http://www.gplhost.com
>GPLHost:>_ Open source hosing worldwide
>Web spaces featuring GPL control panel and Xen VPS
>Locations in Singapore, Sydney, Los Angeles, Florida, Paris and Israel
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Re: Website for mlmmj

[Thomas Goirand]

Raymond den Ouden wrote:
> I myself hate such default templates.
> 
> No offense, but they are often bady built. I always split the content
> from the layout. Then even blind people can use it, or people with text
> browsers like lynx or links, which I often use when downloading files.
> If mads likes one it's often easy to make a proper design for that.

On my experience with those templates, they ARE done the way you say,
most of the time using pure CSS design with div tags.

> CMS systems are not silly, probably cpu eaters, but often very useful,
> especially when you make a site which has to be maintained by someone
> else who can't build proper HTML pages. Although static HTML is the
> fastest and most stable way of hosting.

My mean is only to say that it's a bit silly to use a (CPU eater) CMS
when we all know html, and when the content WILL be static.

Thomas

Re: Website for mlmmj

[Raymond den Ouden]

Thomas Goirand wrote:

>Raymond den Ouden wrote:
>  
>
>>I myself hate such default templates.
>>
>>No offense, but they are often bady built. I always split the content
>>from the layout. Then even blind people can use it, or people with text
>>browsers like lynx or links, which I often use when downloading files.
>>If mads likes one it's often easy to make a proper design for that.
>>    
>>
>
>On my experience with those templates, they ARE done the way you say,
>most of the time using pure CSS design with div tags.
>
>  
>
If so ignore my comment, but in the five years I worked as web-developer 
fulltime I have seen too many bad of such templates.
Another thing why I dislkike them is because they look too default, do 
you get what I mean?

>>CMS systems are not silly, probably cpu eaters, but often very useful,
>>especially when you make a site which has to be maintained by someone
>>else who can't build proper HTML pages. Although static HTML is the
>>fastest and most stable way of hosting.
>>    
>>
>
>My mean is only to say that it's a bit silly to use a (CPU eater) CMS
>when we all know html, and when the content WILL be static.
>  
>
Then we agree on this point I think.
HTML is fast and stable with "no" flaws.
CMS's are for "silly" users who can't or don't want to do proper HTML 
themselves.

>Thomas
>
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>  
>

Re: Website for mlmmj

[Wolf Bergenheim]

Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Quite some time ago people volunteered to do something about the mlmmj
> website, now we have mlmmj.org domain.
> 

It is good to hear about the domain. I know some of you have 
reservations against content management systems, but I think that using 
a CMS like drupal (http://www.drupal.org/) would be of great benefit for 
mlmmj. It will also help build a community, in addition to providing a 
base which is both secure and browser compatible. Anyway I'm prepared to 
host the site (I can also host the domain), and also administer it. I 
have also moved the current information to a site, and you can view it here:

http://mlmmj.bergenheim.net/

--Wolf

-- 

Wolf Bergenheim (wolf@bergenheim.net)

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  )(  /
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Re: Website for mlmmj

[Thomas Goirand]

Wolf Bergenheim wrote:
> Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Quite some time ago people volunteered to do something about the mlmmj
>> website, now we have mlmmj.org domain.
>>
> 
> It is good to hear about the domain. I know some of you have
> reservations against content management systems, but I think that using
> a CMS like drupal (http://www.drupal.org/) would be of great benefit for
> mlmmj. It will also help build a community, in addition to providing a
> base which is both secure and browser compatible. Anyway I'm prepared to
> host the site (I can also host the domain), and also administer it. I
> have also moved the current information to a site, and you can view it
> here:
> 
> http://mlmmj.bergenheim.net/

I also think that a wiki is a very important tool. Since we used it, it
improved a lot the support of our software in less than 6 months.

I'm using PmWiki which is IMHO a lot better than the one from wikipedia
(which I forgot the name).

Thomas

Re: Website for mlmmj

[Wolf Bergenheim]

Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Wolf Bergenheim wrote:
> 
> I also think that a wiki is a very important tool. Since we used it, it
> improved a lot the support of our software in less than 6 months.
> 
> I'm using PmWiki which is IMHO a lot better than the one from wikipedia
> (which I forgot the name).
> 

Ah yes. wikipedia uses mediawiki (which seems to be the most popular 
wiki), but TWiki (http://twiki.org) is IMHO the best wiki, simply 
because the TWiki has the most logical syntax.

--W

-- 

Wolf Bergenheim (wolf@bergenheim.net)

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  )(  /
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Re: Website for mlmmj

[Morten K. Poulsen]

Wolf Bergenheim <wolf+mlmmj@bergenheim.net> wrote:
> but TWiki (http://twiki.org) is IMHO the best wiki

Well, as long as it is not going to run on /my/ host ;-)

http://secunia.com/product/4248/?task­visories

Morten

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Morten K. Poulsen <morten@afdelingp.dk>
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