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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Pratap Subrahmanyam <pratap@vmware.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Daniel Arai <arai@vmware.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Virtualization Mailing List <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: hardwired VMI crap
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:10:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45F0A5F0.7040900@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45F0A254.4020002@vmware.com>

Zachary Amsden wrote:
> For APICs, we have two operations - APICRead and APICWrite.  It is
> nice and clean, and plugs in very easily to the APIC accessors
> available in Linux.
>
> Is this not clean?

Sure, that's clean, From that perspective the apic is a bunch of
registers backed by a state machine or something.  It's not particularly
clean from a high-level interface perspective because those calls don't
mean anything, but that just means pv_ops is the wrong interface for
those calls. genapic, from its name alone, sounds like it should be the
right place to hook in at that level; if it isn't, it sounds like the
right starting place.

But...

> We just don't drive the local timer interrupts through the APIC, we
> make hypercalls to schedule local timer alarms.  Which is something we
> must do for UP kernels as well, which use the PIT / PIC.  So there is
> a need for having clockevents code which doesn't program timers
> through the APIC.

Yes, but couldn't you, oh I don't know, have the virtual timer
interrupts come in on irq 97, and just register a handler for that irq
and use that ISR to drive the time stuff?  Then its logically identical
to the Xen code or any other free-standing device driver.

Making your virtual timer device share interrupts with the (emulated)
real-time device seems to be making things messy (is that right, is that
the issue?).  I don't see why UP vs SMP is an issue here at all, or why
the PIT gets involved in any way (and I don't mean that in a "I think
your design is idiotic" way, I mean that in a "I don't really understand
the problem domain, so I'm missing something in your explanations" way).

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-09  0:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 169+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-06  6:52 + stupid-hack-to-make-mainline-build.patch added to -mm tree akpm
     [not found] ` <45ED16D2.3000202@vmware.com>
     [not found]   ` <20070306084258.GA15745@elte.hu>
     [not found]     ` <20070306084647.GA16280@elte.hu>
2007-03-06  8:55       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06 10:59         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-06 21:07           ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-06 21:07             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-06 22:21             ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-06 22:21               ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-06 21:32               ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-06 23:53             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  0:24               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07  0:35                 ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  0:49                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  0:53                     ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  1:18                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  2:08                         ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  8:37                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 17:41                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 17:41                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 17:49                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07 17:49                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07 18:03                                 ` James Morris
2007-03-07 18:03                                   ` James Morris
2007-03-07 18:35                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 18:35                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08  0:45                                   ` Alan Cox
2007-03-08  0:45                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-03-07 17:52                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07 17:52                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07 18:28                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 18:53                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 18:53                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 18:11                               ` James Morris
2007-03-07 18:11                                 ` James Morris
2007-03-07 18:56                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 19:05                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 19:49                                   ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 20:11                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 20:49                                       ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 20:49                                         ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 21:14                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:14                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 20:57                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 20:57                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:02                                         ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 21:08                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 21:19                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:19                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:14                                             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 21:21                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:33                                       ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 22:05                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 23:05                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 23:05                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 23:25                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07 23:36                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 23:40                                               ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07 23:40                                                 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 18:30                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 18:30                                                   ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08  0:22                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  1:01                                               ` Daniel Arai
2007-03-08  1:01                                                 ` Daniel Arai
2007-03-08  1:23                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08  1:23                                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08  7:02                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  7:28                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  8:01                                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08  8:01                                                     ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 18:24                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 18:44                                                   ` Daniel Arai
2007-03-08 19:14                                                     ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 19:14                                                       ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 19:17                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 19:17                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 19:42                                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 19:47                                                     ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 19:47                                                       ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 19:52                                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 20:10                                                         ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 20:18                                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 20:18                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 20:23                                                             ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 20:23                                                               ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 20:33                                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 20:42                                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 20:42                                                                   ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 20:42                                                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 20:42                                                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 21:45                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-08 21:45                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-08 19:54                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 19:54                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08  9:10                                             ` hardwired VMI crap Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 10:06                                               ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 11:09                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08 20:46                                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 20:46                                                     ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 21:13                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 22:17                                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 22:33                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 22:39                                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-16 10:12                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-08 21:15                                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 21:34                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 21:34                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 21:43                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-08 22:30                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 22:36                                                             ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 23:39                                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 23:39                                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 23:55                                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 23:55                                                             ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-09  0:10                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-03-09  0:29                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09  0:29                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09  0:22                                                             ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-09  0:22                                                               ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-09  0:28                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-09  0:28                                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-09  0:04                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-09  0:04                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-09  0:44                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 22:31                                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 22:31                                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 21:39                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-08 21:39                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-08 22:58                                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 22:42                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 23:39                                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 18:35                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 18:35                                                   ` Chris Wright
2007-03-07 23:33                                           ` + stupid-hack-to-make-mainline-build.patch added to -mm tree Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 23:52                                             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-08  0:19                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08  0:19                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08  0:35                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  0:38                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08  0:38                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 20:40                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:07                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 21:07                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 21:40                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:40                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:34                                     ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 22:14                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 22:17                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07 22:17                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07 22:31                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 22:31                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 22:28                                             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 22:28                                               ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-08  8:01                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08  8:01                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08  8:15                                     ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-08  8:15                                       ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-08  8:41                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 10:26                                     ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-07 21:42                                 ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 21:42                                   ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 22:07                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 22:07                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  5:10                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07  0:40                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  0:42               ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  1:22                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  1:22                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  1:44                   ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  1:44                     ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  7:48                     ` Thomas Gleixner

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